Winning isn't enough for Panther fans.

[strato]

37 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Nix was 16/28 for 150 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs last night en route to putting 10 whole points on the board but the Broncos won so he "won the game". Just laughable.

Did he get a game winning drive? 

[strato]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Pretty much. Sometimes you can win just by waiting for the other team to lose. Basically what we did against the Jets.

And has certainly been done against us enough times. 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, strato said:

Did he get a game winning drive? 

By bryces standard yeah, he led them to a field goal make them go up

[CRA]

1 hour ago, toldozer said:

Bryce is about the 20th best starter in the league. I think we can be both happy that we are winning and still understand what is needed to truly compete in the playoffs.

20 seems pretty high and generous.  I think it would be tough slot him at 20 and see who sits behind him.  I think 25ish is sort of his area

[CRA]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Pretty much. Sometimes you can win just by waiting for the other team to lose. Basically what we did against the Jets.

and Falcons

[toldozer]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

20 seems pretty high and generous.  I think it would be tough slot him at 20 and see who sits behind him.  I think 25ish is sort of his area

Yeah I was being generous. I put him ahead of Rodgers and flacco just because of their age and then was looking at current starters. I would have him ahead of shough, penix, mariotta, McCarthy, Williams, briscett, mills, ward, tua, fields, Gabriel, Rodgers and flacco as mentioned, Geno. Only swaps I would make when a starter gets back is Daniels and Stroud. So that puts him at 19 and 21 when those guys come back.

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

and Falcons

Well, we didn't have to wait long that day. They came out of the tunnel ready to lose. LOL 

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, we didn't have to wait long that day. They came out of the tunnel ready to lose. LOL 

Someone must have spike Penix's pregame meal with that stuff you get before a colonoscopy. Only way he could poo the game that bad. 

[d-dave]

I hear you, the sense of anger and resentment on the Huddle is bad even by Huddle Standards...

I've tried to be pretty measured on Bryce lately.  I want him to succeed.  And I do think he does some things well, and makes plays.  When he throws with anticipation, things look good.  

The problem is we're not seeing Bama Bryce anymore.  We drafted Bama Bryce.  We get 5.0 YPA Bryce.  It's not exciting football.  I love the wins, so I don't care that much about how pretty things are.  The reality is fantasy football and sports gambling have overrun many people's perspectives on football and sports at large.  Most fans want to see the big plays down the field for their own excitement.  Most knowledgeable fans want to see it as a way to keep a D honest, close the door on an opponent, and just better execute good football.

Remember the old Bill Belichick expression: "Stats are for losers."  I'd much rather have ugly wins than pretty losses.  But I can still enjoy a pretty loss on the HOPE that next time we'll get that bounce of luck our way.  

Wins and losses are often stated as a QB stat when football is a team game.  We saw how Flacco has a career day but the Cincy D let him down.  Does that loss count against Flacco?  It shouldn't because W/L should be a Head Coach stat.

As far as game winning drives as a stat, it's not overly important.  It's cool, certainly so.  It's also a team stat.  If WRs don't catch the ball, if OL don't block, etc it's a moot point anyway.  Like we had in Philly last year.  Ideally, you shouldn't be in that position at the end of the game.

Now as far as Bryce himself, I want him to do well.  I want him to take the position of franchise QB instead of have it placed gently upon his head.  I just don't think he's that guy.  We'll finish this season with Bryce, and if he proves he's the guy and puts us in a winning position, great.  If not, then we bring in competition for him.  Or we trade him.

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, toldozer said:

Yeah I was being generous. I put him ahead of Rodgers and flacco just because of their age and then was looking at current starters. I would have him ahead of shough, penix, mariotta, McCarthy, Williams, briscett, mills, ward, tua, fields, Gabriel, Rodgers and flacco as mentioned, Geno. Only swaps I would make when a starter gets back is Daniels and Stroud. So that puts him at 19 and 21 when those guys come back.

How would he get ahead of Aaron Rodgers?

Rodgers is at a nearly 69% completion rate w/ 17 TDs to 5 INTs.   Comfortably ahead of Bryce in every statistical aspect of the position.  I get Rodgers is old as dirt but.....the production is pretty significantly better.