Just our luck

[ProcessBlue2]

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I don't think the Jags ditch him yet. Their offense is slightly better than their D and both are below the average. I wish tho. I could see them trying to upgrade at WR and continuing to build out the team. They still sit at over .500 with a first year HC.

They are just going to have to take a swing and make do. 

 I could see Murray, Lawrence, and maybe Purdy be up for trade.

SF will be interesting because Mac Jones has done very well this year, so either he will want a chance somewhere else or they will stick with him and ditch Purdy which would be financially irresponsible.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

D. Watson, Stafford(unlikely), Mayfield(never gonna happen), 2023 QB Rookies, Davis Mills, Brissett, Mac Jones, Will Levis, Drew Lock

Take Brissett

[NAS]

1 hour ago, BrewerHouseBeer said:

Also we should always be looking to add a QB. Green Bay is a good example. They have always drafted their next guy while their current guy is still good. Its worked out great for them. QBs are hard to find and every season you should look hard at them. The fact that we only look at the QB position when its "needed" is one reason we are always in QB hell. We've had maybe 10 seasons in our entire history when we actually had above average QB play. 

It’s a brilliant strategy that few teams have the courage to so.  Imagine if we thought this way and drafted Lamar Jackson let sit behind Cam for a couple years. Coming out of 2017 there were already signs that Cam’s arm wasn’t the same. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, joande said:

What about 2027? I'm curious. 

The following year's class always looks like it has at least a dozen surefire hall of famers. This class sucks and next year's is the greatest ever. Always.

[CRA]

We don’t need to draft a QB if Canales stays.   We don’t need to keep the inheriting other people’s  decision thing going.   

Canales would have to earn the right with a vet to stick around.  Otherwise, you most likely are letting Canales draft a QB you think force on the next staff.  Thats not how it should work.  See us now. 

All the hiring and firing we do, we never clean house properly.  

you anever know when a class is actually going to be good or not.  The Trevor/Fields class was supposed to be an awesome time to draft a QB at this point 

[DaveThePanther2008]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

A solid veteran QB that can be at least outside the bottom 20% of NFL starters and a younger drafted QB.

I don't have specifics because we have no idea who would be available(or interested) at this point. When that becomes available this offseason, I will definitely post up my "wants."

Same with the draft class. I am very down on this class at the moment but it seems deep at #2 QB's.  

Come on, there are several options available.  Speculate.  Kind of dodging the question.  I can probably surmise that anyone you mention will have as many issues as any I bring up.

BTW you talk about Gunslinger mentality is something you don't want.  I recall we had our own gunslinger that took us to the Super Bowl.  Remember Jake Delhomme?

[ProcessBlue2]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

We don’t need to draft a QB if Canales stays.   We don’t need to keep the inheriting other people’s  decision thing going.   

Canales would have to earn the right with a vet to stick around.  Otherwise, you most likely are letting Canales draft a QB you think force on the next staff.  Thats not how it should work.  See us now. 

All the hiring and firing we do are never clean house properly.  

We need to go the veteran route whether young or old. Especially since Canales is supposed to be the veteran guru. If it fails let the next coach draft his guy in a better class. I might still take a day 3 guy for depth and something different. Would love to have a Haynes King to use as Taysom Hill.

[kungfoodude]

38 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I've seen QBs come back and succeed. If Darnold and Mac Jones can do it, Howell isn't necessarily dog poo. I'm not saying he can thrive, but I'm also not saying it's impossible. 

Many of the problems these kids have are based upon the fact that they are immediately thrust into the spotlight before they're ready. They should be sitting, just like in the old days. They should primarily be sitting and learning, not being put under a buzzer where the primary focus of the higher-ups is throwing poo at a wall and seeing what sticks before a rookie contract runs out. I think this is definitely the case where it's obvious that it's a mind thing--bad decisions and/or learning at a slower pace--than a lack of physical tools. Sometimes different people, theories and concepts are coming so fast that the kid is screwed from the start, and we never get to see a legit sample size because things keep changing too fast. 

So I'm not necessarily phased by being passed around "like candy." If they're some good bones there, we may as well take a look. Being in QB hell, you shouldn't dismiss QBs out of hand. Some of these guys are still young.

I would bet that if Howell were in Minnesota or Green Bay, he'd be better. Darnold is legit better, and Malik Willis looked like a different QB the last time that we saw him.

Lance, Howell, Levis, they're all guys I'd look at. 

To the OP's greater point, I just think they're actually are some guys in this class that could possibly be legit, and it's not as bone-dry as some are assuming.  Even Drew Allar might one day be legit.

The Huddle is highly fixated on outlier scenarios which is not particularly productive. Not everyone is Geno Smith. That's extremely rare.

I am in the "hedge your bets" camp. Bring in two additional options. Solid veteran bridge/game manager and a younger QB through the draft or from the young bust pile(Lance, Howell, Levis, etc).

I would rather throw darts at a dart board than have another Bryce "all in" chip push.

Allar would be a solid Day 3 option. Same with Nussmeier and guys like that. It's a very good use of a 5th-7th round pick to try a shot on a QB.

[Waldo]

4 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

 I could see Murray, Lawrence, and maybe Purdy be up for trade.

SF will be interesting because Mac Jones has done very well this year, so either he will want a chance somewhere else or they will stick with him and ditch Purdy which would be financially irresponsible.

The only way I want Murray is on the cheap. Hell no to him on his current contract. 

Purdy isn't worth a trade with his contract either. In free agency on a discount? Maybe. Just a game manager. 

I think the Lawrence talk is just wishful thinking at this point. That teams needs more talent not less. I just don't see how they can feel confident about an upgrade with so many needy teams with worse records. 

They just need to find a free agent and take a swing in the draft. Lance is more interesting and more likely than those options to me personally. 

 

[kungfoodude]

19 minutes ago, TD alt said:

That really didn't answer the question...

Yes, because you didn't read it.

[Panthers Fan 69]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

Anyone worth trading a low pick for?

Trey Lance - he is young and needs reps. Looked good in preseason

Justin Fields - showed flashes, maybe the QB whisperer can help him find himself as a passer

I wouldn’t touch justin fields with a 10 ft pole.  He is utter trash. 

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

We don’t need to draft a QB if Canales stays.   We don’t need to keep the inheriting other people’s  decision thing going.   

Canales would have to earn the right with a vet to stick around.  Otherwise, you most likely are letting Canales draft a QB you think force on the next staff.  Thats not how it should work.  See us now. 

All the hiring and firing we do are never clean house properly.  

you are never known when a class is actually going to be good or not.  The Trevor/Fields class was supposed to be awesome time to draft a QB at this point 

Im fine with a later drsfted QB. Not a savior but hopefully a decent backup would be killer. They need to find 2 QBs going forward IMO. 

[ProcessBlue2]

A lot of yall are too focused on trying to land a franchise guy or bust this offseason.

We need reliable transportation.

What we have: Huffy Bicycle

What’s available: Honda Accord

What you want: Porsche 911 GT3

We don’t need a great QB right now, we just need a fuging QB.

[kungfoodude]

46 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I doubt they pick up his option.  He'll be backup next season.  We have to address this position either through the draft or Free Agency.

Never underestimate this franchises ability to due something extremely stupid.

 

16 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Silver lining. The ceiling is super low. Somebody like Minshew, Winston, or Mariota could come in here and do better. We are at the literal bottom right now. Like Clausen bottom almost, any of those FAs are an upgrade.

Plus Dan will have another offseason to add some pieces, so there will be a team waiting on them when they get here.

Don’t go off the available FA lists. There are always other guys that come available to make cap room or whatever. 

The QB's available aren't likely to improve tremendously just because of the QB contract cycles.