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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Find one of them, draft a QB on Day 2 or 3. Roll with whomever wins a spot on the roster between Bryce(assuming you can't trade him), Dalton, Vet QB and Rookie QB.

Under no circumstances can you give this staff the opportunity to roll tiny tot back out there next season.

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2 of our cheap ex qb's are playing at a high level for other teams right now.  At some point you just have to realize that our franchise is the problem.   It took 2 weeks for these dumbasses to recognize that Rico is a far better back than Chuba.  God knows what else they can't see. 

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I don't always like judging a QB class from this high of level.    It's all about finding the specific prospect.  The guy that just fits what you're looking for.  

In order of selected (top drafted pre-Bryce)-

2017: Trubiski, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer

2018: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Lamar

2019: Murray, Daniel Jones, Haskins

2020: Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Hurts

2021: Trevor, Z Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac Jones

2022: Pickett

It's all peppered in.  The ones that tend to hit are well structured teams, who know who they are, identifying a guy that just fits them and they are confident in their skills and development.  Less pressure, set environment, sound decision based on a balance of things.    

The ones that fail are when it's a crap team, at the top, taking a QB because they simply need one.  Their entire offseason revolves around finding one.  That can sometimes work out (Cam, Luck), but mostly, it puts a pedestal on a guy and they can't live up to it (Trevor, Kyler, Mitch, etc.) and it's pressure cooker.  

It's why I don't (A) care about who many wins we end up with and (B) who TF knows which of these guys ends up translating.  Maybe Mateer ends up lights out..who knows.

 

 

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1 minute ago, FatChad said:

2 of our cheap ex qb's are playing at a high level for other teams right now.  At some point you just have to realize that our franchise is the problem.   It took 2 weeks for these dumbasses to recognize that Rico is a far better back than Chuba.  God knows what else they can't see. 

NFL is slam full of bias and idiots….who pretend things are super complicated.  Like everywhere else. They generally aren’t complicated.  Bad decisions get made because of ego and idiots. 

Bryce Young didn’t fit Frank and didn’t fit Dave.  It’s not rocket science.  It’s legos.

why didn’t Baker work here? Well, he wasn’t allowed to be Baker and he was never given the team to be Baker. 

Sam IMO was largely Sam and given the opportunity to be it.   DJ Moore just isn’t the last 2 WRs Sam has been paired with 

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1 hour ago, UnluckyforSome said:

I don't think he can be on the roster in any capacity. If/when the choice to move on is made, then it needs to be decisive. You can't just keep him as a backup, with the very real possibility of returning him to action. Conversely, if he is any sort of competitor, why would he accept a backup role, and not demand to be released or traded from the team?

 

 

I think the ideal situation for both parties would be for the team to let Bryce know that they will not be picking up the 5th year option. Then you tell him that a viable QB (via the draft, trade, or FA) will be brought in with the intent of him becoming the starter next season...unless Bryce clearly outperforms them in in camp and in the exhibition season.

Then Bryce, as you said in your post, would feel insulted and asked to be traded. Hopefully, we'd have an interested party and who'd be willing to give us a day 3 pick that we can turn into a depth piece or a viable O-lineman (most starting centers and guards in the NFL are Day 3 selections). 

Problem solved. He'd no longer be on the roster to cause any tension and be able to get  fresh start elsewhere. 

If you can't find a trade partner, and he's ok with the back up role that would be fine. if he isn't willing to remain on the roster as a backup then you release him.

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25 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Under no circumstances can you give this staff the opportunity to roll tiny tot back out there next season.

I mean, I am ready to move on to Dalton and then FA trash heap already this season. You know I would have relegated him to 3rd string by now. 

But, I don't think that is the way it will work out for us. If it takes the rest of the season of watching Bryce be himself to convince Tepper(most likely the last remaining unconvinced party) that we need to move on, by all means, sign me up for the rest of the season with Bryce. 

The last thing any of us want at this point is a further financial commitment to having Young on this team. 

Ideally, we move him in the offseason.

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22 minutes ago, CRA said:

NFL is slam full of bias and idiots….who pretend things are super complicated.  Like everywhere else. They generally aren’t complicated.  Bad decisions get made because of ego and idiots. 

Bryce Young didn’t fit Frank and didn’t fit Dave.  It’s not rocket science.  It’s legos.

why didn’t Baker work here? Well, he wasn’t allowed to be Baker and he was never given the team to be Baker. 

Sam IMO was largely Sam and given the opportunity to be it.   DJ Moore just isn’t the last 2 WRs Sam has been paired with 

Baker was so clearly us being the problem on a complete disaster of an NFL coaching staff.

Darnold would never have been successful here. I think he really needed a lot of time on the bench in a stable and very QB development friendly situation like the 49ers and Shanahan. Then another QB friendly situation in Minnesota that just requires him to not fug up with the platinum platter of playcalling and team around him. It has allowed him to finally start to develop. 

The Tepper era has been rife with hubris and the overwhelming confidence of a crowd of complete and utter idiots. 

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It's a bad spot to be in because this is just year 3. Realistically, I think BY is here next year along with some roll of the dice backup or journeyman and best case is they duke it out in camp for the starter spot. I'd rather see us fill in holes on defense and take a mid round QB if there's anybody sitting there

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34 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

You know it worked for Fox. Brought in Peete in 02 and Delhomme in 03. Almost had another one in Matt Moore until it went off the rails with his injury and development .

Bridgewater probably could have been that guy for us. Just be competent until the real answer arrives. 

People railed against it saying we would never be in position to get another Cam. Then we trade up to get to that position in a panic and end up with Bryce. 

Grass ain't always greener and Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

1. Continue to build a good roster.

2. Attempt to upgrade the QB position, even if just incrementally.

3. Keep drafting QB's in the late rounds.

4. Don't be afraid of BPA if it is a QB in the 1st or 2nd at some point but don't reach.

 

If you can do that, eventually you will either become a solid spot for an older veteran QB, you will land a Geno Smith type or you will land "The Guy" through the draft. 

It's not a quick fix but most of the quick fixes we have attempted under Tepper made us dramatically worse. 

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes, because you didn't read it.

General and not specific. But, I understand, I guess generalities are the order of the day considering the circumstances. 

I'm not into old ass retreads. Don't lose draft position with Joe Flacco, for example, every single year   winning meaningless games. Give me Lance, Howell, and/or Levis and draft a guy in whichever round, but don't spend ones and twos---valuable draft capital---to move up, if you move up at all. 

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1 hour ago, Waldo said:

What's not hard to understand? Until the end of the year we won't know who is available. A chunk of this board is hoping on Lawrence but I think that's a pipedream this offseason. We are likely looking at a trade, personally don't like that, or a swing in free agency which should be more fingers crossed than jumping with excitement type move.

All the hope I can scape together is being put into this team moving on from Bryce and not having wasted year #4. Until then we might not even be taking a QB and they will just roll with the ghost of Dalton again like some belive since he is also under contract next year. 

I understand, but look above. I'm not into Bryce under any circumstances.

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