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Mr. Scot

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41 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I want to ask you.  Did each of those TD passes Young threw Sunday meet this criteria?  Young's swing pass to Chubba was perfectly placed and quick.  Both Coker and T-Mac's TDs were well placed touch passes.    Bryce has had many small window completions.  

Analytics are a great source of knowledge but in the end game time situations call for quick deceive decisions and analytics go out the door.  

Meet what criteria? These are used in analyzing the whole picture of a performance, not in game as much. For that you really have to use the eye test or have your stats with tendencies already ready. Analytics don't go out the door. It's why the 4th down passes work. Tendencies said expect short play in that situation, not a deep shot. We gambled twice and beat the odds. Hit it and you're a hero, miss it and you're a zero. 

If I had to rank them in order of difficulty, I'd say

1. Short pass to Coker to seal it

2. TMac pass

3. Coker pass

4. Chuba pass

 

Coker pass to seal it was the highest pressure pass he threw. Defense knew it was the game if he hit it. 

TMac throw was a very nice throw. He was helped by the play call. Deep throw on 4th down in a short yardage situation. Not the call the defense was really looking for. DC made the play call. Bryce executed. 

Coker throw. See above but Coker was more open. Still a good throw. 

Chuba. I expect any NFL QB to make this throw. Cam actually struggled with these at times because he threw so hard. Bryce gets credit for the TD toss, but it was really all Chuba after the catch. 

 

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8 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Young  could win us a superbowl, and there would still be people not wanting him. 

He will never win us a Super Bowl. He may be on a team that wins a Super Bowl but he will never be the reason we win. 
Short QBs do not have long term success and only 2 have won a Super Bowl. 
Brees is really not that short but people include him and Wilson has a monster arm and a legendary defense to win his. He didn’t really need to do anything. 
Only way we win the Super Bowl is if we build a team like the 2019 Niners. But there is a reason teams like that are very rare. 

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5 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

He will never win us a Super Bowl. He may be on a team that wins a Super Bowl but he will never be the reason we win. 
Short QBs do not have long term success and only 2 have won a Super Bowl. 
Brees is really not that short but people include him and Wilson has a monster arm and a legendary defense to win his. He didn’t really need to do anything. 
Only way we win the Super Bowl is if we build a team like the 2019 Niners. But there is a reason teams like that are very rare. 

He's too clutch. He is the reason we're winning now. 

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1 hour ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

No his work shows he shouldn’t. He is a losing QB. He’ll hit 30 losses before this season is up to less than 15 wins over 3 years. 
His work says he doesn’t deserve his 5th year. 

Wins and losses are a team effort. 

The team his rookie season just wasn't good, and there were a load of things going in behind the scenes that made things even worse.

The past two seasons have shown better results. And again, the whole "in spite of Bryce" argument is just silly. 

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5 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

If he does they I will buy his jersey and wear it proudly. I will still lobby for a successor on the roster behind him until he does. 

Oh, I agree, the Panthers shouldn't stop looking for our next QB. 

Please dont take what I'm saying, as I think Young is the answer.  I dont feel that way.  Although the majority that post negative of him daily, are flat out lying to themselves. 

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17 hours ago, CRA said:

Josh Allen had legitimate improvement. 

Bryce Young is more the same than he is improved.  The legitimate improvement that people can't deny is the OL play each season, the rush attack and the D vs last year.  The throws and coverage Bryce struggles with are pretty much the same.   

I think he is seeing a comp % bump that is product of Canales largely acknowledging Bryce can't do a lot (the whole argument made by many that he calls games how he has to because of Bryce).  Bad throw % remains super high, he still fumbles a lot, he basically needs man coverage do to anything, isn't threatening downfield, the book is sort of out on how to stop him and make him irrelevant.  I just mean because Atlanta refuses to do it to him and a couple 4th and shorts don't allow the setup....that doesn't change the overall book.    And he will never really be able to improve on his physical tool limitations. 

“He still fumbles a lot” When was his last  fumble?

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6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wins and losses are a team effort. 

The team his rookie season just wasn't good, and there were a load of things going in behind the scenes that made things even worse.

The past two seasons have shown better results. And again, the whole "in spite of Bryce" argument is just silly. 

No it is not. But you keep thinking that. 

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