Bryce might be the most frustrating player we've ever had.

[strato]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, that's not true.  They were just lofted balls vs man coverage.  You are portraying unique to Bryce as unique for a good QB.  

now, not many QBs are being put into those playcalls.  Correct.  Dave likes to ask Bryce to throw downfield on short yardage plays where a defense gets in man to play the run/short yardage.  We have seen it often this year.   I mean, I can go find literally the exact same Coker play on short yardage from earlier in the year.   It's basically Dave gambling on the fact Bryce stinks and doesn't go downfield......in the most advantageous scenario that could present itself. 

He’s gonna get burned going to that well too often. It only works because it goes against the tendencies. Once they give that strategy some due diligence you are looking at 59/50 balls at best. (In that situation). 

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[strato]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce Young had 2 throws over 10 yards the entire game.   That answered your question?? And the 2 total throws.....basically were playing into the fact Bryce doesn't go downfield, the D had to play short, and were really low % bad playcalls.  It's the fine of dumb and great.  People have called those plays idiotic all year. 

Answered my criticism, not question, that it should be included. Yes. That has to be a component of an NFL offense. 

Edit: And yeah do it earlier. No doubt.  It was pretty obvious why it worked, and is because it was a complete surprise.  

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[kungfoodude]

39 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Thats a valid argument.  I cant tell whet they are gonna do and they prob dont really know yet either.  Ultimately they do need someone to play QB and I think the 5th gives them a little more time to figure out who that person is.  If the upcoming draft class was loaded with QBs i'd prob feel different.

Good news is they have a while before hey have to decide on the 5th.  I think May 1st is the deadline?

It is indeed May 1st. So they will get some free agency and also the draft if "better" options are found. 

I do think they will likely make that decision far earlier, however. Ultimately, if you don't pick up the 5th year option, it makes much more sense to try to move Bryce. It's better for him and us, IMO. Let him get a fresh start and another team get the option to decide on that 5th year before the deadline.

[Jon Snow]

15 minutes ago, strato said:

Answered my criticism, not question, that it should be included. Yes. That has to be a component of an NFL offense. 

Edit: And yeah do it earlier. No doubt.  It was pretty obvious why it worked, and is because it was a complete surprise.  

A few more of those and defenses won't be able to stack the box on 4th and short. It adds another wrinkle to the offense. 

[kungfoodude]

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

we got folks once again having willful amnesia.....

let's talk about something that isn't a wild outcome.  This board flying high as a kite......and Bryce going into New Orleans and having his routine bad game vs the Saints.....and we lose.  Bryce averages 147 yards vs the Saints in his career and lots turnovers.  Suddenly, the front page will have 78 cut Bryce Young immediately threads and a lot of those people will have called picking up his 5th year a no brainer at this point. 

Yeah, he is such a hot and cold QB. Even the highs are typically fairly low(speaking specifically 2024 end of season run). It's easy to point to his 400+ yard outing and being the franchise record holder for single game passing but when you look at the 26 of 40 career starts of less than 200 yards passing, it's hard to have a very rosy view of the body of work.

If we were staring down a significantly better 2025 season in terms of actual performances, it would be a different story. That would show some progression is happening, albeit maybe at a glacial pace. But, that isn't what has happened. He's been modestly better than his first two seasons in most categories. Does this show improvement? Arguably so but the pace is going to lead us into a very, very difficult position even if it continues at a linear scale. You will end up in the 2026 or 2027 offseason having to make a long term decision on a MAYBE bottom 10-12 QB. And that is assuming continual progression and no regression or plateau. 

I just don't think there is enough to invest in this situation long term. The bones of Bryce the QB aren't solid enough to build a franchise caliber QB, IMO. 

[strato]

21 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

A few more of those and defenses won't be able to stack the box on 4th and short. It adds another wrinkle to the offense. 

I don’t know that it will even take a few more. That was about as HELLO they actually Will throw it deep as it gets in terms of impact and being noticed.  But it should pay off somewhere else.  
Something will be given less attention, the coaches will need to find it quickly. 
The protection was excellent on those, pressure might be something people need to counter with. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, strato said:

I don’t know that it will even take a few more. That was about as HELLO they actually Will throw it deep as it gets in terms of impact and being noticed.  But it should pay off somewhere else.  
Something will be given less attention, the coaches will need to find it quickly. 
The protection was excellent on those, pressure might be something people need to counter with. 

When they ran the ball they had better success when the Tams thought they would pass. Obviously there wasn't 8 in the box in the situation so Canales took advantage of it. He played the 2nd half as about as perfect as he could. The 1st half was brutal for him especially the last 3 minutes of the half. He wasted an opportunity to score. But running when they expected a pass and passing when they expected a run is what made the difference in the 2nd half. 

[outlaw4]

People who think Bryce is the most frustrating player ever to wear a Panthers uniform were not around here when Jake Delhomme was our QB. If anything, I'm getting a bit of deja vu.

[bandu]

so how can you win on a  consistent basis with a wildly inconsistent Qb ? 

& more importantly does Bryce Young make this team better ? or is he in fact holding the team back ? 

for me i just dont see how having Bryce Young at Qb makes this team better...just saying 

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[CRA]

47 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

People who think Bryce is the most frustrating player ever to wear a Panthers uniform were not around here when Jake Delhomme was our QB. If anything, I'm getting a bit of deja vu.

Bryce isn't Jake for me.  Jake was frustrating because of his gambling but....Jake was just too fun and rowdy from the jump til Tommy Jone. 

as a Clemson fan, Bryce is DJ Uiagalelei.  As in, I mean, he just doesn't have it.  We can talk about the quirky record setting Notre Dame game but week in and week out dude has overwhelmingly shown he just flat out doesn't play the position well enough at this level of football. . And if we had average level "ACC play" in that case......Clemson would have actually been a legit team.   And Clemson and beyond, a QB that flat out doesn't have what it takes to be a power 5 QB, that just keeps getting chance after chance after chance for no real reason.

Now you basically swap out DJ's physical tools and Bryce's college success as the mental hurdle/belief people can't get over. 

[PantherChris]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I suppose if he was at 250+, 3+ TD's and 4-0 it wouldn't make much sense to NOT pick up the 4th. 

I am in the camp of not really being concerned about the "WELL IF HE LEAVES HE WILL BE GREAT ELSEWHERE" scenarios. I just don't see that being the case. 

Hey, I am happy to be right(I was an OG Byrce stan), then to be wrong(I am completely off the Bryce bandwagon) and then find out I was right in the first place. It would be much better for him to just suddenly figure it out and be an NFL QB. 

I just don't think that is going to be the case. At best, he seems like he may slowly be developing into a middling #2 QB. That's not a good return on a #1 overall draft pick.

I mean I don't think it would happen or see it happening I'm just saying we somehow with our luck (and honestly it's not a concern) it's just me saying yep watch that happen just because carolina did it.

I was a brycey stan year one.... by year two I was off the wagon mostly.... this year I was wait and see early and I haven't seen any real changes now im a "hater" because I don't think a sub 200 yard qb is the future.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, he is such a hot and cold QB. Even the highs are typically fairly low(speaking specifically 2024 end of season run). It's easy to point to his 400+ yard outing and being the franchise record holder for single game passing but when you look at the 26 of 40 career starts of less than 200 yards passing, it's hard to have a very rosy view of the body of work.

If we were staring down a significantly better 2025 season in terms of actual performances, it would be a different story. That would show some progression is happening, albeit maybe at a glacial pace. But, that isn't what has happened. He's been modestly better than his first two seasons in most categories. Does this show improvement? Arguably so but the pace is going to lead us into a very, very difficult position even if it continues at a linear scale. You will end up in the 2026 or 2027 offseason having to make a long term decision on a MAYBE bottom 10-12 QB. And that is assuming continual progression and no regression or plateau. 

I just don't think there is enough to invest in this situation long term. The bones of Bryce the QB aren't solid enough to build a franchise caliber QB, IMO. 

And a legitimate question to ask is what does this offense look like once Bryce is off his rookie contract? How is that offensive line going to look? We have a ton of money invested up front and that is 100% unsustainable with Bryce making starting QB money. Icky and Moton are going to be 50m per season plus the guards at 32 and possibly Mays at 6-8 if we're lucky. Add in Bryce and that's 125m just on those 6 players if we tried to keep them all. It's just not doable. 

So then the real question IMO becomes, if we spent the money on our OL, and less on a QB, would the outcome be that much different? I haven't seen Bryce elevate the offense enough by himself on a consistent basis to warrant the contract we would have to give him, not to mention the players we would have to give up, based on the accelerations of the bonuses as I understand them, would likely include Icky. 

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I mean I don't think it would happen or see it happening I'm just saying we somehow with our luck (and honestly it's not a concern) it's just me saying yep watch that happen just because carolina did it.

I was a brycey stan year one.... by year two I was off the wagon mostly.... this year I was wait and see early and I haven't seen any real changes now im a "hater" because I don't think a sub 200 yard qb is the future.

That's mostly me. I came into the season basically believing he was not ever going to be the guy but with a little bit of wait and see. It didn't take long of me seeing before I saw he was the same guy he has largely always been.

Maybe in some future scenario 3-5 years from now he is confident enough to be a decent NFL QB. I don't really want to be the team waiting for that to happen. Let his 3rd, 4th, 5th or whatever team be the ones that figure it out.

[PantherChris]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean, that's not true.  They were just lofted balls vs man coverage.  You are portraying unique to Bryce as unique for a good QB.  

now, not many QBs are being put into those playcalls.  Correct.  Dave likes to ask Bryce to throw downfield on short yardage plays where a defense gets in man to play the run/short yardage.  We have seen it often this year.   I mean, I can go find literally the exact same Coker play on short yardage from earlier in the year.   It's basically Dave gambling on the fact Bryce stinks and doesn't go downfield......in the most advantageous scenario that could present itself. 

Yep and if anything the only reason Bryce threw those is Dave didnt give him any underneath options