Icky Contract Extension

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Ring chasing is a real thing, even in the NFL.

Nobody’s ring chasing signing an extension.  The “bad team tax” just means you have to pay more in UFA than a better team all things being equal.  If Derrick Brown hit the market he was getting a monster deal.  I don’t think we had to pay a special tax that’s exclusive to a few teams.  The bad team tax is not relevant to extending Icky.

[SCO96]

23 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

• Trevor Lawrence: Jacksonville Jaguars, 5 years, $275 million
• Joe Burrow: Cincinnati Bengals, 5 years, $275 million
• Justin Herbert: Los Angeles Chargers, 5 years, $262.5 million
• Brock Purdy: San Francisco 49ers, 5 years, $265 million
• Jalen Hurts: Philadelphia Eagles, 5 years, $255 million
• Kyler Murray: Arizona Cardinals, 5 years, $230.5 million 

When I see those figures my stomach gets queasy at the thought of Bryce getting a similar deal. I think it would be a wise for the FO to speak to him and his agent before the deadline for 5th year option.  If Bryce expects a similar deal prior to his 4th year...or even after his 4th year...Morgan needs to try to work out a trade deal and move him. 

Edited 4 hours ago by SCO96

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, SCO96 said:

When I see those figures my stomach gets queasy at the thought of Bryce getting a similar deal. I think it would be a wise for the FO to speak to him and his agent before the deadline for 5th year option.  If Bryce expects a similar deal prior to his 4th year...or even after his 4th year...Morgan needs to try to work out a trade deal and move him. 

That's why  I've been pretty adamant I want Bryce to either really, really succeed and become the franchise QB we all hoped he would be after he was drafted, or really really fail and we could cut him and move on. Those numbers scare the bejebus out of me and with Tepper being involved in the big decisions, it makes it even more nerve wracking. This up and down, good week, bad week, winning in spite of a bad day for Bryce, is just about the worst thing we could have had happen. Seeing what Arizona paid Kyler and they're ready to walk away and be done feels like staring into the future right now if things continue along the same pattern of good week, bad week. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

You have to pay him. Joe Thomas he is not, but he's the best LT we've had in well over a decade.

[DeAngelo Beason]

Just like the petulant children of this forum are giving up on Legette too soon, they gave up on Icky too soon... and now he's one of the best in the business.  I preached patience with Icky, and I'm going to preach it with XL.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, bythenbrs said:

Bad to terrible?  Really?

Yeah...I think that's overstated.

My take was that he'd be better at guard but our new OL coaches are making a believer of me.

He's getting uglier

Edited 3 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[Loyalty4Life]

9 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

Im always amazed at these conversations still in 2025.

The math is always simple. 

Mid 20's player + top 15 in their position = new record setting contract. 

Its literally that simple. 

I wish I could pie you 100 times.  It really is this simple.

PS. Brown and Horn are both living up to, if not exceeding their contracts.

[jb2288]

11 hours ago, hepcat said:

Kinda crazy how little we are talking about Icky this season. He will be heading into the final 5th year option of his contract, meaning he will likely be getting a contract extension this offseason.

He’s having a career season. He’s had only 3 penalties in 13 games, a large drop from the 11-12 he’s averaged in prior years. His impact in the run game is still massive, while still being average at best in pass protection. Either way he’s been the best LT the Panthers have fielded since Jordan Gross and it’s a no-brainer to re-sign him. But at what cost? He will command a hefty price. 

It doesn't matter. Pay him whatever is needed, it'll be outside the top 10 and look like a good deal in 2 years when others get extended and the cap goes up. We won't be paying Bryce next year (at least praying we won't do that) so still have flexibility with cap. 

[jb2288]

8 hours ago, SCO96 said:

I think Icky was shown steady improvement and really should be entering the prime years of his career that position. He's a first round draft choice that panned out and I think he needs to be resigned.

That said, your above formula is correct, but concerning. Icky is Good player and could potentially become great. But, should a 4 year starter at LT that has never been selected for an 1st or 2nd All-Pro team or been selected to a Pro Bowl become receive a new record setting contract and become the highest paid LT in football? We may have to do as you suggested in your post.

If he does get that deal, then the financial situation at QB becomes even more concerning. If Young and his agent insist on a contract in line the "QB Market" and you want to retain him you either have to hope he takes a hometown discount (i.e. below market value contract) or have a guy in the wings to replace him when he decides to hit the open market. We still have crucial holes to fill at EDGE, LB, S. 

It's fun to pretend to be a GM, but in real life we can only imagine how stressful that job really is.

Looking at All Pro or Pro Bowl is meaningless. If Icky was the LT for the Chiefs he'd be a perennial pro bowler. Panthers get shafted in these every year because small market + ass for the past 5 years. 

[SCO96]

57 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Looking at All Pro or Pro Bowl is meaningless. If Icky was the LT for the Chiefs he'd be a perennial pro bowler. Panthers get shafted in these every year because small market + ass for the past 5 years. 

Icky is a good player. He deserves to be resigned. BUT, there is NO WAY any knowledgeable football fan believes that Icky is a top 5 player at his position in the NFL. The point of my post was that a guy who may not even be in the top 10 at his position SHOULD NOT RESET the market for Left Tackles just because he's the next guy up to have a contract extension. If he does, then that puts even more financial stress on a team that may have resign a QB to "record deal" in the next year or two.

The NFL salary structure is ridiculous. Merit is what is really meaningless. In some cases you don't even have to be that good in the NFL at the top of the NFL pay scale. You just need to be the next in line to get a new deal.  

Edited 23 minutes ago by SCO96