Young nominated again...

[tukafan21]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I didn't say average. Its that they are more likely to be sub 200 than 300+ yard games. 

Except you literally didn't say that, all you said was 200 or less was the norm this year, lol (although I'd also argue using the word "norm" is pretty equivalent to saying "average")

The discussion at hand was "is 206 yards an underachieving game or not"

Just because this year is likely to see more sub 200 yard games than 300+ yard games, doesn't make 206 yards an over achieving or even acceptable yardage total.

(and totally as an aside, since this is more of a generic discussion right now, but at the same time, 206 yards being the 3rd highest total of the season is not acceptable for a QB in their 3rd season and supposed to be a long term solution)

Edited 31 minutes ago by tukafan21

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Except you literally didn't say that, all you said was 200 or less was the norm this year, lol.

The discussion at hand was "is 206 yards an underachieving game or not"

Just because this year is likely to see more sub 200 yard games than 300+ yard games, doesn't make 206 yards an over achieving or even acceptable yardage total.

(and totally as an aside, since this is more of a generic discussion right now, but at the same time, 206 yards being the 3rd highest total of the season is not acceptable for a QB in their 3rd season and supposed to be a long term solution)

I thought that was obvious and didn't need to be said. You are fixated on the wrong things. The yards are not the problem. They are a symptom of a larger problem. He obviously is capable of putting up over 400 yards in a game. Its this issue of his mental game that's interfering with his overall consistency. 

[Shotgun]

3 hours ago, TN05 said:

I’ve never seen a group of fans so unhappy to be winning

Don't know any eagles fans?

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

But we're not talking about someone's role or importance to a team, that's an entirely different conversation.  In general, when you're just talking about building a roster or how a team looks, or anything along those lines, then I 100% agree with you.

But this is for the Air and Ground Player of the Week.

To me, I've always interpreted that as who had the best passing/rushing/recieving performances of the week, completely separate and irrelevant to a team's success/failure in that week.

I wouldn't take the same issue with it if someone said he should be nominated for Offensive Player of the Week, that would be an award where the things you're talking about should be factored in.  I just feel this is not that type of weekly award where role or team outcome has any factor in it, and it's who had the best statistical output that week.

We're talking about contribution to a particular game. There's more to that than stats.

Take for example a guy with superior stats vs a guy with lower stats playing his way through an injury or a hardship. In that scenario, I'm gonna vote for the latter guy ten times out of ten.

[tukafan21]

21 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I thought that was obvious and didn't need to be said. You are fixated on the wrong things. The yards are not the problem. They are a symptom of a larger problem. He obviously is capable of putting up over 400 yards in a game. Its this issue of his mental game that's interfering with his overall consistency. 

Honestly, the lack of yards and the mental inconsistency aren't even my biggest problems with him.

It always has and always will be his lack of an ability to drive the ball as required on this level.  He can't throw from one hash to the opposite sideline 20 yards downfield on a line drive.  That's a 40ish yard air travel throw and the only way he's able to make it is with a touch throw.

Which in turn is from a lack of overall arm strength, which also rears its ugly head on off base/balance throws.  And it's not even that he's bad when throwing on the move, he's actually pretty good at it, but he NEEDS to get back into a perfectly balanced position on the throw or else he doesn't have the arm strength to get it where it needs to be.  

In this day and age, you need QB's who can make off balance throws that don't come up 5 yards short of the reciever every single time. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

We're talking about contribution to a particular game. There's more to that than stats.

Take for example a guy with superior stats vs a guy with lower stats playing his way through an injury or a hardship. In that scenario, I'm gonna vote for the latter guy ten times out of ten.

If you're talking about just the NFL's Offensive Player of the Week, then sure, I'd agree.

But for me, and maybe that's the problem and it's how I've interpreted this award, it's more about a statistical excellence than overall impact on the game.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

Honestly, the lack of yards and the mental inconsistency aren't even my biggest problems with him.

It always has and always will be his lack of an ability to drive the ball as required on this level.  He can't throw from one hash to the opposite sideline 20 yards downfield on a line drive.  That's a 40ish yard air travel throw and the only way he's able to make it is with a touch throw.

Which in turn is from a lack of overall arm strength, which also rears its ugly head on off base/balance throws.  And it's not even that he's bad when throwing on the move, he's actually pretty good at it, but he NEEDS to get back into a perfectly balanced position on the throw or else he doesn't have the arm strength to get it where it needs to be.  

In this day and age, you need QB's who can make off balance throws that don't come up 5 yards short of the reciever every single time. 

How many times a game are you required to make that throw? Seriously?