ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option

[cranky]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm probably closer to a Trevor hater than anyone and I think I'd take this deal.  Jesus.

Why. 

Lawrence is either the same or worse than Young in almost every statistically catagory. And it isn't just this year. comp%, TD-INT ratio, 1st down success, etc. 

He might be bigger and have a stronger arm but he has not played like the better QB.

 

[CRA]

Bryce as a starter (12 games vs 12 games).  Sets up perfectly given the week we fall on. 

2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers

2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers

[cranky]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If anything it will give them time to find his replacement. If they had done that last offseason they would be in much better position to move on. But as you've saw the option behind him is going to take some time to make it right. 

I don't think they are looking for his replacement. 

I think he fits what Canales wants to do. I think they are looking for continued improvement and believe it will come with time. 

I don't expect them to try and extend him but unless he just craps out the rest of the season, I would expect them to pick up his 5th year.

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, cranky said:

Why. 

Lawrence is either the same or worse than Young in almost every statistically catagory. And it isn't just this year. comp%, TD-INT ratio, 1st down success, etc. 

He might be bigger and have a stronger arm but he has not played like the better QB.

 

I think his ceiling is higher under Dave Canales

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I genuinely hope we are not having extension talks yet.

Graziano does say he "talked to a bunch of Panthers people" and his takeaway was that "they still believe in him".

My read on the extension talk though is that it's mostly hypothetical.

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, cranky said:

I don't think they are looking for his replacement. 

I think he fits what Canales wants to do. I think they are looking for continued improvement and believe it will come with time. 

I don't expect them to try and extend him but unless he just craps out the rest of the season, I would expect them to pick up his 5th year.

 

If they are not looking for a plan B if/when the wheels fall off then they will not have their jobs long.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, cranky said:

I don't think they are looking for his replacement. 

Neither do I... 

Also not a big Trevor Lawrence fan either. The "bigger and stronger" thing is probably the main appeal there.

[Bear Hands]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bryce is gonna start playing Call of Duty?

?

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Graziano does say he "talked to a bunch of Panthers people" and his takeaway was that "they still believe in him".

My read on the extension talk though is that it's mostly hypothetical.

I am kind of amazed that the organization still believes. It definitely shakes any remaining faith of a turnaround, that's for sure.

Of course there is an element of, "well what do you expect them to say?"

Edited 30 minutes ago by kungfoodude

[cranky]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce as a starter (12 games vs 12 games).  Sets up perfectly given the week we fall on. 

2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers

2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers

If you're going to post comparisons, you should post them all. 

If you take the time to look, you can see he has improved in pretty much every catagory: TD%, TD-INT ratio, succ% (passes going for 1st downs), yards/game, adjust yards gained per pass attempt, 4th qtr comeback, game winning drives etc. 

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, cranky said:

Why. 

Lawrence is either the same or worse than Young in almost every statistically catagory. And it isn't just this year. comp%, TD-INT ratio, 1st down success, etc. 

He might be bigger and have a stronger arm but he has not played like the better QB.

 

Yeah, I'd honestly rather be sitting on Bryce with no major future commitment than Lawrence on a franchise QB contract. The former situation gives you options, you're pretty much stuck with the status quo for the foreseeable future in the latter.

[cranky]

10 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think his ceiling is higher under Dave Canales

I don't know. I think Coen has done a pretty good job down there. 

[cranky]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If they are not looking for a plan B if/when the wheels fall off then they will not have their jobs long.

I understand having a plan B. I just don't think they are actively looking for his replacement at this time.

 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

If you're going to post comparisons, you should post them all. 

If you take the time to look, you can see he has improved in pretty much every catagory: TD%, TD-INT ratio, succ% (passes going for 1st downs), yards/game, adjust yards gained per pass attempt, 4th qtr comeback, game winning drives etc. 

 

 

Improved is true. Good is a different thing.

I think that is the issue, he has improved to "not very good" from "really bad."

Are we to assume this progression continues? If so, it probably means 2-3 more seasons before we see "franchise caliber" QB play on a consistent basis.

And I really don't think anyone buys into that notion of consistent improvement at this point.