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ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option

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28 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

How many of those drops are off target throws which Lawrence is near the top in?

Off-target/bad balls generally don't meet the criteria for a drop.   I mean two things can be true.  The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year.....and Lawrence can be headache. 

Trevor is below league average in bad throw % though.  Bryce as always, above it despite playing less aggressive.  I mean, Bryce being at the top in bad throw % is the really wild part because he isn't playing aggressive dumb ball look so many QBs are willing to. 

I feel Bryce Young people are fixated on Trevor being a thing to use....but it just is too forced.  I mean, they have being a bad picks in common but that's it. 

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52 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Howell is an UFA in 2026 so it would not cost anything. For those who want to cut Dalton, that would be a 5.8M cap hit.  They guaranteed 5.9M of Dalton's salary because they thought he was a good mentor for Bryce so the plan is obviously to keep them both in '26, which really means they plan to pick up the fifth year option in May.  Adding a Sam Howell or third round draft pick in '26 makes sense even though it limits roster spots.  Dalton is Bryce's security blanket.  

I've said it before re: Dalton, if he's that good in a mentor role just bring him on to the coaching staff.

As a player, he's done.

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57 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Evidently the Seahawks were interested in Howell in the draft and the guy on the staff primarily responsible for scouting him was their QB coach at the time... Dave Canales. Canales was the Seahawks representative sent to the UNC pro day.

 

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1 hour ago, Castavar said:

Why Sam Howell hasn't been given another chance to start on a team after putting up decent numbers on a bad commanders team running for his life (most sacked QB in the league in 2023) is beyond me, especially when you have the likes of Geno Smith, Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua still being given a chance.

In 2023:

Passing yards (15th)

Completion % (14th)

Total TDs (12th)

YPG (17th)

QBR (24th)

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

I think it's because in the last half of that season (9 games) he had a total of 8 TD's to 13 INT's. 

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25 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

The Tarheel Glazers on here  will tell you that Howell is the second coming of Peyton Manning,  it gets old after a while...

I'm neither fan nor hater (totally UNC neutral)

But I do think Sam Howell has a quarterback skill set that fits quite well into a WCO type scheme like Canales runs. He wouldn't be high priced as a backup either.

Put that together with what Linville mentioned and is say it becomes a very real possibility. 

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25 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

The Tarheel Glazers on here  will tell you that Howell is the second coming of Peyton Manning,  it gets old after a while...

I'm not a glazer, and I don't think he's the 2nd coming of PM, I think he was in a very bad situation in Washington behind an oline as bad or worse than Vegas' this year. He was under pressure constantly. Like David Carr's rookie year in Houston pressure. It's hard to really judge a guy under those circumstances. 

I think he has the tools to be a QB in the NFL and he could work in the system that DC likes to run. At worst, he's an improvement over Dalton. At best, we find someone who can push for the starting role or take it and get some stability at the position. If he doesn't work out, we move on. There's nothing wrong with taking a look at the guy. 

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14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The last one was Darnold. I guess we could run it back?

I don't know what his status is next year. 

I know he got better coaching from somebody other than Matt Rhule after he left us, but if I remember correctly his playoff performance last season was... less than stellar. 

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4 minutes ago, cranky said:

I think it's because in the last half of that season (9 games) he had a total of 8 TD's to 13 INT's. 

I mean, ups and downs are to be expected for a 23 year old first year starter. But he showed huge potential all season and has a huge arm. All I'm saying is all these castoffs and terrible 2nd year QBs continue to get chance after chance, while Sam Howell has proven he can throw in this league and doesn't even get an opportunity to start on another team after a decent year as a first year starter. 

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25 minutes ago, CRA said:

Off-target/bad balls generally don't meet the criteria for a drop.   I mean two things can be true.  The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year.....and Lawrence can be headache. 

Trevor is below league average in bad throw % though.  Bryce as always, above it despite playing less aggressive.  I mean, Bryce being at the top in bad throw % is the really wild part because he isn't playing aggressive dumb ball look so many QBs are willing to. 

I feel Bryce Young people are fixated on Trevor being a thing to use....but it just is too forced.  I mean, they have being a bad picks in common but that's it. 

Where are you getting your numbers?

According to pro-football-reference, Youngs bad throws number is 17.5%. Caleb Williams for comparison is at 22.5% and Stroud is at 16.3%. So pretty much the same as Stroud and considerably better than Williams. 

As far as Lawrence goes, yes he is better at 15.6% but last year he was at 17.5% and the year before that he was at 18.8%.  The same or worse than the "top in bad throws" Bryce.

Given all of that, how can you claim Bryce is at the top and Trevor is below average. 

And I must say I find it ironic that I can comment on Bryces' lack of receiver talent in 24 and 23 and you say I am just using that as an excuse, yet you excuse Trevors' play with "The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year."

So which is it - does the talent surrounding a QB matter or not?

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