Joe Person: Ickey is expected to be extended, Mays is someone we want to keep long term, TE, LB and OLB are our biggest needs heading into the offseason

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The Atl game was an anomaly. 200 air yards with 250 YAC. That may be a record day on the stat sheet but that is not normal production. Does Bryce get credit for Tremble running over 5 Atl defenders for 45 extra yards? 

He didn't beat a Super Bowl contender by himself. Seems I remember an interception in the end zone, one returned for a touchdown and a strip sack turnover when the Rams were driving. Pretty sure the D had a significant role in that win with those takeaways.

Without that defensive TD, that's a loss. And it's not like our offense was in a shootout keeping pace with theirs. They were driving on our defense all day long at will. That pick in the end zone. Like a TD or field goal. That's at least a 10-17 point swing from those 2 plays by the defense. 

You think we were making that up? It took 2 4th down gambles to score because we couldnt sustain drives. And Bryce with 20 passing attempts all day is not leading an offense that was a 2:1 run to pass ratio. 

You can say Bryce had a great game. I say he had 3 great plays. The rest of the time, he was invisible. 

You're arguing he's going to get the option based of an anomaly game he hasn't come close to repeating in 3 seasons and team win, heavily influenced by takeaways and defensive scoring. And in SF, he didn't look like a rookie. He looked like the QB that got benched week 2 of his 2nd year. I think even discussing the option is asinine at this point. 

Let him finish the year. If he puts up 4 more ATL games, offer the 5th. He puts up another SF or 2, the 5th year should never be mentioned again. 

Even the best QB in the league doesn't win games by himself. 

Sorry dude, but you're rationalizing to see what you wanna see. The reality is that Bryce can play and win in the NFL on this Panthers team. And barring something crazy, he'll be doing it best season too.

There is no scenario or argument we can come up with that's gonna stop that. It'll take something disastrous or just plain weird that we have no control over.

Hell, even if you win the argument against me in this forum, that doesn't change objective reality.

[SmokinwithWilly]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Even the best QB in the league doesn't win games by himself. 

Sorry dude, but you're rationalizing to see what you wanna see. The reality is that Bryce can play and win in the NFL on this Panthers team. And barring something crazy, he'll be doing it best season too.

There is no scenario or argument we can come up with that's gonna stop that. It'll take something disastrous or just plain weird that we have no control over.

Hell, even if you win the argument against me in this forum, that doesn't change objective reality.

And you're rationalizing what you want to see. There are definitely scenarios where Bryce doesn't return next year that aren't outlandish. 

Here's one. Bryce wants an extension similar to the other top QBs at the end of year 3 that are still with their original team that drafted them. The Panthers refuse that level of compensation. The options are trade, cut or hold out. 

This is actually a very possible scenario. The only QB I can remember to play on his final year without the 5th year is Daniel Jones. I can't think of another. Lamar played on his full 5th year. 

Do you think, based on his current level of play, Bryce is worth 250m for 5 years with 180m guaranteed?do you think the Panthers believe Bryce is good enough that he deserves that kind of contract, bearing in mind what it will cost to make happen? Icky- gone. Lewis - gone. Mayes- possibly gone. Is Bryce still worth it? 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

And you're rationalizing what you want to see. There are definitely scenarios where Bryce doesn't return next year that aren't outlandish. 

Here's one. Bryce wants an extension similar to the other top QBs at the end of year 3 that are still with their original team that drafted them. The Panthers refuse that level of compensation. The options are trade, cut or hold out. 

This is actually a very possible scenario. The only QB I can remember to play on his final year without the 5th year is Daniel Jones. I can't think of another. Lamar played on his full 5th year. 

Do you think, based on his current level of play, Bryce is worth 250m for 5 years with 180m guaranteed?do you think the Panthers believe Bryce is good enough that he deserves that kind of contract, bearing in mind what it will cost to make happen? Icky- gone. Lewis - gone. Mayes- possibly gone. Is Bryce still worth it? 

Where on earth have I indicated this is what I want to see?

I've been talking all along about what I expect to happen. What I would want is a very different conversation.

As far as what Bryce wants beyond the fifth year option, I have no predictions till I see how the next two seasons go. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Where on earth have I indicated this is what I want to see?

I've been talking all along about what I expect to happen. What I would want is a very different conversation.

As far as what Bryce wants beyond the fifth year option, I have no predictions till I see how the next two seasons go. 

You've been making all these arguments from the 1st person. So unless you're privy to a whole lot of inside information from the front office, this is your opinion.  What I'm seeing from you is that you believe that Bryce is the reason we are  winning all these football game. I don't think he is.

I think we could plug in any mid tier QB in the NFL right now and have the same or better results. Our defense is vastly improved as is our running game which have contributed greatly to our overall record. 

I'm not talking beyond the 5th year. At the end of the 3rd year is when QBs typically want their extensions. They don't play on the last year of their rookie deal. The only 1st round starting QB to play his final year on the rookie deal  was Jones. The last QB to play his entire 5th year option without the extension was Lamar. Bryce could very well want his extension this summer because that's what the rest of NFL QBs get. 55-55m a season could be the asking price for Bryce. Do you think what we've seen across 3 years warrants such a contract? Your opinion. Not what you the front office will do. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

You've been making all these arguments from the 1st person. So unless you're privy to a whole lot of inside information from the front office, this is your opinion.  What I'm seeing from you is that you believe that Bryce is the reason we are  winning all these football game. I don't think he is.

I think we could plug in any mid tier QB in the NFL right now and have the same or better results. Our defense is vastly improved as is our running game which have contributed greatly to our overall record. 

I'm not talking beyond the 5th year. At the end of the 3rd year is when QBs typically want their extensions. They don't play on the last year of their rookie deal. The only 1st round starting QB to play his final year on the rookie deal  was Jones. The last QB to play his entire 5th year option without the extension was Lamar. Bryce could very well want his extension this summer because that's what the rest of NFL QBs get. 55-55m a season could be the asking price for Bryce. Do you think what we've seen across 3 years warrants such a contract? Your opinion. Not what you the front office will do. 

 I'm citing reports from Joe Person, Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano among others. I've also said repeatedly that I'd prefer to move on at some point, but realistically that's down the road. 

I doubt you'll find much of anybody among the beat writers,  talking heads and reputable sources who doesn't believe Bryce is getting the option.

If you find one, feel free to link it 

[Basbear]

I 100% disagree with TE being a need or want, how about a QB that elevates the TEs?!?!?

Evans looks great for rookie in any round that's not in the first 20 or so picks.

Sanders had a slumply year 2, but he's still got talent.

Tremble is a decent combo blocking and when he is targeted hes soon to be able the catch a bad pass

Even the backups Mitchell aka governor and Pierre has been on the PS for the whole year.

Everyone here is below 26 years old and the "starters" are below 25. 

Its in a great spot, faaarr better than any recent Thomas years.... 

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 I'm citing reports from Joe Person, Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano among others. I've also said repeatedly that I'd prefer to move on at some point, but realistically that's down the road. 

I doubt you'll find much of anybody among the beat writers,  talking heads and reputable sources who doesn't believe Bryce is getting the option.

If you find one, feel free to link it 

Can you answer the question? Do you think Bryce should get an extension for 50-55m per season at the end of this year if he demands it? 

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 I'm citing reports from Joe Person, Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano among others. I've also said repeatedly that I'd prefer to move on at some point, but realistically that's down the road. 

I doubt you'll find much of anybody among the beat writers,  talking heads and reputable sources who doesn't believe Bryce is getting the option.

If you find one, feel free to link it 

And there are no reputable sources regarding Bryce. Every beat writer, talking head, and reputable source lost all credibility after drafting day IMO.

[mrcompletely11]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 I'm citing reports from Joe Person, Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano among others. I've also said repeatedly that I'd prefer to move on at some point, but realistically that's down the road. 

I doubt you'll find much of anybody among the beat writers,  talking heads and reputable sources who doesn't believe Bryce is getting the option.

If you find one, feel free to link it 

Lol reports.    You mean speculation 

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Can you answer the question? Do you think Bryce should get an extension for 50-55m per season at the end of this year if he demands it? 

I already did, and no I don't. 

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

And there are no reputable sources regarding Bryce. Every beat writer, talking head, and reputable source lost all credibility after drafting day IMO.

Yeah sorry, the "everybody who doesn't see it my way has no credibility" argument is never valid. 

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