Go after Shedeur this offseason.

[fanpanther]

29 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

As I’ve said in other threads, the amount of chances Bryce has been given is the definition of entitlement.  I’ve never before seen a guy be handed something he’s done everything in his power to piss away and show he wasn’t deserving of it.  He has been given chance after chance after chance and at every turn, he showed he wasn’t deserving.  And not only was he still given the job, but this organization went out of their way to coddle him and ensure nothing threatened his ego or confidence - measures usually reserved for proven franchise QBs.

Deion may have put Shedeur in advantageous positions, but Shedeur is overcoming adversity on his own and he is showing out.

The entitlement byoung has had his entire nfl career is insane.  The panthers literally brought in no qb competition to protect his ego.  If Cam Newton had had byoungs stats his first 3 years no one would be saying we would be picking up his 5th year option, panthers would have him riding the bench .  I dont get it at all.  Still hope byoung proves me wrong and lights it up and the team goes deep into the playoffs but looking at the wins I feel all but maybe 2 were in spite of young not b/c of him

[csx]

5 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

The entitlement byoung has had his entire nfl career is insane.  The panthers literally brought in no qb competition to protect his ego.  If Cam Newton had had byoungs stats his first 3 years no one would be saying we would be picking up his 5th year option, panthers would have him riding the bench .  I dont get it at all.  Still hope byoung proves me wrong and lights it up and the team goes deep into the playoffs but looking at the wins I feel all but maybe 2 were in spite of young not b/c of him

Entitlement doesn't mean what you think it does. 

What others do doesn't make Young entitled. It might make the team foolish but it doesn't reflect on Bryce at all.

[Proudiddy]

13 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Well why are you in here my guy? lol

Just wanted to make sure you threw your shot at Shedeur and those who like him, huh? 

Always appreciate you, AL.  But it’s clear if you look at the initial post and the amount of poo reactions I got combined with all the decades old burns these troglodytes typed up, the vast majority of their objections are rooted in Shedeur and Deion hate.  I have seen a ton of “If Deion wasn’t his dad” arguments, but let me flip that - If Deion wasn’t his dad, and as a 5th round rookie, he just threw for 350+ yards and had 4 TDs, 99% of these guys would be interested in acquiring him.  I see why our fanbase is such a joke…  these the same folks who have spent 30 years hemming and hawing “well, there’s always next year,” or argued Chris Weinke should be starting over Jake through 2006, or we should’ve drafted Marcel Dareus over Cam.  They’re okay with mediocrity.  We finally have vaulted ourselves into contention in spite of the QB who has tried to play us out of it most games, and now they’re fat and happy and cool with the bare minimum from the QB position, so the cycle continues.

Dont get me wrong, again, for the sake of this year I hope Bryce goes on a magical run, and against all odds, we win the Super Bowl.  But after the last 3 years, even if he does, we would be dumb to not still bring in competition to start at the QB position.

 

[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, strato said:

That sounds like your baggage. Can he play or not? That is the question. 

Not well enough to justify what teams have to put up with.

Terrell Owens was a phenomenal player, but teams kept dumping him because the drama was too much. Sanders is nowhere close to the kind of player Owens was, so he won't get as much leeway. 

As far as "the question", when it comes to entitled brats, problem children, headcases, etc. It's only that simple for the fans that have no contact with him other than watching them on TV. For the coaches, players and others that have to deal with them every day, it's not simple at all. 

[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Some of this is just brainstorming/throwing poo against the wall, seeing as how we have one of the least talented QB rooms in the league.  We need a talent infusion badly.  I feel Shedeur has the prerequisite talent athletically and as a passer, and I have since his college career.  Do I think he will actually be traded this offseason?  99% not likely.  On one hand, he’s proven to likely be the best QB on their roster.  On the other, they, and no other team wanted to take a chance on him for 4 rounds, so there has to be a price they would be willing to part ways with him for.  That’s why I brought up the Joe Milton situation as an example.  He was drafted to a team who took another rookie QB much earlier in the draft, spent his rookie year with them, then was traded before his second year for a relatively low value.  But, again, I also think the attention Shedeur naturally garners makes teams uncomfortable about rostering him if he’s not a starter.

I don’t think we trade for him, and I don’t think the Browns trade him anywhere.  That being said, this is a message board.  Possibilities are fun to discuss and we’re here for discussion.

also,I’m talking about a trade for a mid-late round pick for a talented QB/developmental QB on his rookie deal; that is the antithesis of the Matt Flynn situation.  He had a solid couple games in GB and Seattle broke the bank on him and he bombed big time.  That’s a valley of difference between the situations.

We are discussing possibilities.

But most of us think this particular "possibility" would be a really bad idea.

And not only because of his attitude but because while highlight reel scouting of him might paint a rosy picture, bfull game scouting tells a different story. 

[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, TD alt said:

There is an argument that his dad's name has been a ball-and-chain. 

Shedeur hasn't acted entitled at all while he's been in this league. He's actually been saying the right things from all the reports I've heard. He's still a young guy, so solid maturity is going to take a little while. I agree that his body of work is very scant, but comparatively to other rookies with two or three starts, he's looked better. He isn't supposed to be perfect, but he's definitely shown a little promise. Perhaps with more starts he will improve. I don't think that's exactly going out on a limb to say that...

The thing with the Ravens wasn't exactly a positive.

As far as his abilities, his college tape showed a guy that made occasional highlight reel plays but didn't put together full game performances. So far, what pro analysis I've seen looks about the same. 

[strato]

5 hours ago, csx said:

Bryce's parents are middle class.  Athletes are not paying to go to those powerhouse private high-schools. 

I haven’t looked at their tax returns but are they not professionals? With Masters and PhDs? 
I seriously doubt he lacked for any material stuff with that kind of base. 
I could be wrong but did they not move the family to facilitate his football dream? Pretty sure he was given every advantage they could give him. 
Deion is more connected and embedded in the football world and doesn’t lack financial resources, but Bryce’s parents were well funded.

Edited 32 minutes ago by strato

[Jackson113.2]

17 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Regardless of how our season goes, most unanimously agree, we need to revamp the QB position.  I been banging the table for Shedeur for a few years now, and he is proving his worth…  we honestly should’ve drafted him but it doesn’t matter now.  I think he’s going to have a similar path as Joe Milton, where he was drafted late and flipped for a slightly better pick than where he was drafted at prior to his second year.  Maybe a 4th rounder?

also, Stefanski is a POS.

I thought i had the worst takes on this board,  you take the cake, son...

[strato]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not well enough to justify what teams have to put up with.

Terrell Owens was a phenomenal player, but teams kept dumping him because the drama was too much. Sanders is nowhere close to the kind of player Owens was, so he won't get as much leeway. 

As far as "the question", when it comes to entitled brats, problem children, headcases, etc. It's only that simple for the fans that have no contact with him other than watching them on TV. For the coaches, players and others that have to deal with them every day, it's not simple at all. 

He has not showed himself to be TO. Not close. Your baggage, for some reason. 
 

This is tiresome. He doesn’t seem like that bad a kid. We know dad has a huge mouth and ego. I haven’t kept up to see what extent Deion has inserted himself into that situation in Cleveland but it seems like if he were causing trouble we would hear about it. 
 

He was a 5th round pick I think and was embarrassed nationally on draft day and also with the Falcons coach’s son prank calling him, it doesn’t appear that he has had an easy time of it and is getting a chance to play. I’ll judge him on what actually happens moving forward. 

Edited 25 minutes ago by strato

[TD alt]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The thing with the Ravens wasn't exactly a positive.

As far as his abilities, his college tape showed a guy that made occasional highlight reel plays but didn't put together full game performances. So far, what pro analysis I've seen looks about the same. 

Technically, he wasn't in the league when the Ravens called, but for discussion's sake Iet's assume that he was.

The Ravens thing wasn't exactly a negative either. It's all about perspective, empathy and really having an open mind---and an independent mind, not necessarily given into trite, good-boy-bad-boy narratives of an institution that has had problems of varying degrees on its own as a whole.

As for Sanders' abilities during college or three games into his pro career, sure I've seen better, but I've seen a lot worse. In my estimation, he deserves an honest chance just like any kid that's drafted into the league. He may not get it, due to the nature of the beast, but it's not because he's been stinking up the field.

 

[OldhamA]

17 hours ago, Jmac said:

How about stick with Young and get a reliable backup. A rookie QB in the mid rounds. Don't want a problem in the making.

No thank you.