Franchise QB Dominates

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Yes, every QB has bad plays. Bryce just happens to have more plays that are meh than most others, which is why he is one of the worst starting QBs in the league. 

The thing is, in a game that means this much, with a chance to maintain a division lead - Bryce was just another guy.  And his limitations where on full display.

That's what I mean. It's why i think he's a problem. And while yes, he wasn't the reason we lost or anything like that... I would like us to have a QB that is a bigger part of why we win than what Bryce is usually capable of.

Has Bryce thrown more Interceptions this year than last?

I haven't looked, but it doesn't feel like it. Honestly feels like his ball security is better this season than it's been any other year so far.

Defensive minded coaches tend to subscribe to the old Bill Parcells philosophy that it's not the team who makes the most big plays that wins. It's the one that makes the fewest mistakes. And yeah, there's a lot of truth to that. 

And on that front, Bryce has cut down on his mistakes (I could argue significantly so).

Doesn't make me wanna keep him, but I'm not gonna deny that.

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

He has that same “piss you off” ability that Brees had.  Completing passes that shouldn’t be completed.  Knowing that exactly when to start a slide to draw a penalty.  Always escaping sacks.  Always wiggling his way when he should’ve been tackled.  I fuging hate this guy.

The way fans try to dangle bryces manhood over the falcons I think it's way worse we have to get it from shough. 

[mav1234]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Has Bryce thrown more Interceptions this year than last?

I haven't looked, but it doesn't feel like it. Honestly feels like his ball security is better this season than it's been any other year so far.

Defensive minded coaches tend to subscribe to the old Bill Parcells philosophy that it's not the team who makes the most big plays that wins. It's the one that makes the fewest mistakes. And yeah, there's a lot of truth to that. 

And on that front, Bryce has cut down on his mistakes (I could argue significantly so).

Doesn't make me wanna keep him, but I'm not gonna deny that.

By meh plays I mean plays that aren't necessarily mistakes, but aren't really doing much, either.

With this game, Bryce probably will be equal to or lower than last year, but entering the game he was throwing ints on 2.5% of throws, which was his highest of his career. 

edit: Bryce has also had more fumbles this year than last in total, though of course he's played more this year too.

Edited 11 hours ago by mav1234

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Has Bryce thrown more Interceptions this year than last?

I haven't looked, but it doesn't feel like it. Honestly feels like his ball security is better this season than it's been any other year so far.

He has more turnovers in 2025.  Same INTs, 1 more fumble lost…..and we got 3 more games to go.    So he will end up with 1 more start vs last year but he already running ahead.

Certainly not better.   Feels about the same. 

[mav1234]

 

edit: empty post, oops

Edited 11 hours ago by mav1234

[PantherChris]

Just now, CRA said:

He has more turnovers in 2025.  Same INTs, 1 more fumble lost…..and we got 3 more games to go.    So he will end up with 1 more start vs last year but he already running ahead.

Certainly not better.   Feels about the same. 

Well he has a career high passing tds at 19 lol although he has less overall tds than last year with 20 to 21

[Proudiddy]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Is it impossible to win in the NFL without putting up huge passing numbers? 

(coaches who favor gameplans with a heavy run emphasis would probably be interested to know that)

It's kinda like saying you can't win unless your team scores at least 21 points a game... except you can, as long as you hold the opposing team to 20 or less. 

Still waiting for the explanation of how Evero's issues are also Bryce's fault.

(you left that part out)

I haven’t said poo about Evero’s issues being Bryce’s fault.  That’s your strawman.  Not mine.

Yes, Scot, let’s delve further into run heavy offenses and look at what their QBs look like…  hell, I even threw our own Jake into the fold for shits and giggles.  
 

Now Jake wasn’t much of a scrambler, but there is one really glaring stat that sticks out in each of these comparisons.  Jake’s was better.  In fact, every QB I compared Bryce to had a better number there.  Furthermore, each averages at least 10 more yards a game than Bryce. Jalen and Lamar also are legit weapons as runners, which contributes to their scheme, Bryce is not.  We barely run any option because they don’t want Bryce to get broken.  So he is mostly just a passer who occasionally scrambles well.  Bryce is closer to Jake’s 59% completion pct. than Jalen or Lamar’s 64%+, and those are again, “running QBs.”  All three comps average more YPG, which may not seem huge but is significant.  All have a higher QB rating than Bryce.

edit: just for fun, because I’m sure some would argue Hurts and Jackson are unfair comparisons because they are elite so we shouldn’t expect that.  Check out Case Keenum and Tyler Huntley compared to Bryce.  They are considered backups/stopgap QBs who occasionally found their way into starting roles.  Still better than Bryce.  And this is beyond statistics.  When I watch Keenum, I don’t think: “damn, if he would’ve just made that throw.”  “Damn, he’s holding them back.”  “Damn, they can’t run that play because he’s in there.”  “Damn, he missed a wide open receiver again.”  “Damn, they’re mostly just running 5 yard hooks across the width of the field.” “Damn, he goes down easy!”  “Damn, he can’t run a QB sneak.”  “Damn, what a weak ass throw.”  Huntley was undrafted and looks like a better QB than Bryce, even without seeing the stats.

Bryce is a net negative.  When every game we play, the opposing QB is better than ours, we are already playing at a huge disadvantage, so w shave to hope beyond hope that the rest of the team plays perfect, or damn near.  That’s a ridiculous standard, especially when the biggest problem we consistently have is at the most important position on the field.

 

 

 

[Proudiddy]

Just for more fun…

Also the best rushing teams in the league this year so far are Buffalo, Chicago and Indy.  No need to even post Josh Allen lol.  We know what that looks and reads like.  Already posted Caleb.  And Danny Dimes was having an incredible year before the injuries caught up with him, and so they signed 44 year old Phillip Rivers off his couch after not playing for 5 years and he came out and put up a stat line that Bryce usually does in his athletic prime and 3 years into his career, practicing and playing everyday.
 

These are comparable stats for QBs in run heavy schemes.  and they all do something better than Bryce on damn near every attempt.  That stat alone is as telling as it gets.  Even Tyrod, who was essentially runout of Buffalo for being too conservative is noticeable better in this glaring category.  And when relying on a run game, you have to have the consistent threat to make a defense pay if they over commit.  Bryce’s stats show he can’t and doesn’t compared to his peers and predecessors.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

He has that same “piss you off” ability that Brees had.  Completing passes that shouldn’t be completed.  Knowing that exactly when to start a slide to draw a penalty.  Always escaping sacks.  Always wiggling his way when he should’ve been tackled.  I fuging hate this guy.

I hope they commit to him, he's clearly not very good. Fool's gold.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

He also should have taken the points when we were up by 7. A two score game in the 4th is a huge difference.

Edit: And FWIW, if we were the ones down, I would agree with his call to go for it there. But when you're up, it is often better to take the points.

No issue going for it on 4th and inches. That's the dagger if you convert that.

[45catfan]

The Saints defense has held opposing offenses to 17 or less points only 3 times this year, the Giants and us twice.  Outside of the Giants, why is this the only offense that can't drop more than 17 on the Saints defense?  Hmmm...

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, frankw said:

QB's overwhelmingly win games when it matters most and that is what Shough did in both games while Bryce floundered.

I understand you've effortlessly slipped back into your contrarian know it all shtick but reality is reality. 

And no you don't need to quote me any further.

Not contrarian at all...

Philosophical.

Look back at the Parcells quote mentioned above. It's a valid take.

And as always, I'm in no way arguing that Bryce is or should be thought of as a franchise QB.

Where I disagree is that a lot of the arguments being used to make that point are just plain terrible. 

Bryce is not the worst quarterback in history. Suggesting that is dumb.

Neither is he even the worst quarterback in the NFL right now. Hell, he's not even in the bottom tier.

And no, he isn't the primary reason for every game we've lost. Hell, I wouldn't even put him in the first, second or third tier of reasons we lost today. 

But here's the thing...

None of those things have to be true to justify the argument to move on from him.

Yet so many on here are pushing that point using arguments that are weak, lazy, emotional, irrational, illogical and hyperbolic to the point of being downright silly.

(I would have said "logic" rather than risk sounding redundant by using "arguments" again, but none of what I'm describing rises to the level of being called "logic")

You wanna argue for moving on from Bryce? Fine, I'm on your side...

...but don't do it like it's being done here.

Acknowledge reality. Accept that Bryce is indeed capable of being a good quarterback...because he is.

But he's not good enough, and you don't have to exaggerate the bad or deny the good to prove it. 

Doing so doesn't make your position look better. It actually makes it look weaker. On an intellectual level, it ranks roughly equal to saying we should have moved on from Cam Newton because he wasn't athletic enough

Edited 11 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

The Saints defense has held opposing offenses to 17 or less points only 3 times this year, the Giants and us twice.  Outside of the Giants, why is this the only offense that can't drop more than 17 on the Saints defense?  Hmmm...

Ten other defenses managed to keep the Saints offense from scoring more points than their own offense did. 

Ours? Not so much

[Silent Majority]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not in favor of continuing long term with Bryce, but today's game isn't a good one to cite as an argument against him.

This loss was a massive coaching failure, especially on the defensive side.

17 points before a walk off fg is  too much for the offense to overcome?