Why does Bryce get the blame?

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I agree this draft class doesn’t excite me much either

If we’re picking in that 14-18 range based on what’s most likely available CB, ILB, TE or even WR make most sense

I don’t think Morgan has the time to wait on another edge to develop. I think he goes and grabs a proven one to make an immediate impact 

They’re really not. Size meaning durability. No one ever thought this dude would be trucking people or breaking tackles in the pocket. People thought he’d get broken in half after taking his first sack/hit

He’s one of the better QB’s at avoiding sacks this year 

I think a massive amount of the offseason plans are going to be an unknown until we see what happens with the defensive coordinator spot. 

I just hope we stick to BPA. This is a truly awful roster, let's work on improving that overall.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Size meaning durability.

What? No it doesn't. LOL

Bryce has certainly proved more durable on the field than I feared but "size" does not just mean durability. Plenty of us talked about our concerns of him seeing over the line at 5'10" in the NFL, especially watching him in college where he'd usually take a snap from shotgun and then still hit a 3-5 step drop to gain more space to see the field. I talked about that ad nauseam leading uo to the draft and just got scoffed at and called a hate and lectured about how much more the Panthers brain trust knew about football than I did. Which is true. Professional NFL front office folks and coaches know a helluva a lot more about football than I do which is what made it so baffling that they were missing such obvious stuff.

[DeAngelo Beason]

Because he failed, AGAIN, to even surpass a lousy 200 yards through the air.  It's absolutely pathetic.  It's completely insane that a signature outing for this guy is breaking 200 yards.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

There probably is some truth to that. I think the overwhelming bulk of his problems are between his ears. 

I think you could give him Tom Brady or Peyton Manning's mind and he'd still struggle. If you can't see the field and you can't make the throw all the brainiac stuff in the world isn't gonna save you. He's not historically limited between the ears, he's historically limited physically. 

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think a massive amount of the offseason plans are going to be an unknown until we see what happens with the defensive coordinator spot. 

I just hope we stick to BPA. This is a truly awful roster, let's work on improving that overall.

My guess is that they Jonathan Cooley

Pretty much. You just can’t draft flat out busts. You look any bad team in the leagues draft history and they’re all pretty similar. Find 3-4 guys that can contribute even if they’re just average and you’ll build a solid floor to where you can then fill other holes in FA and you’d have a pretty solid team 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I think you could give him Tom Brady or Peyton Manning's mind and he'd still struggle. If you can't see the field and you can't make the throw all the brainiac stuff in the world isn't gonna save you.

I think if you gave him Brady or Manning's mind he would be a viable starter in the NFL. Nothing spectacular, but a middle of the pack game managing type. Chad Pennington+, if you will.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

My guess is that they Jonathan Cooley

Pretty much. You just can’t draft flat out busts. You look any bad team in the leagues draft history and they’re all pretty similar. Find 3-4 guys that can contribute even if they’re just average and you’ll build a solid floor to where you can then fill other holes in FA and you’d have a pretty solid team 

Yeah, it's why I get so upset when they do such obviously goofy things like drafting project players in the top 3 rounds. That is a luxury that a team like the Ravens might be able to get away with but even they rarely do that. 

I will say that Morgan seemed to hone in primarily on FOOTBALL players rather than just pure athletes in this last draft. Mixed results so far but that had been too often overlooked by our franchise.

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Bryce was fine sunday.  Not good, not bad, but our defense was awful.  Everything is understated because of how LONG drives were that game.  The panthers had long time killing drives and the saints had long time killing drives.  For reference, I looked it up, average NFL game has about 22-24, meaning each team gets 10-12 drives, for reference though, the panthers had 8 total, and one of those drives came with us having 2 seconds left in the game.

The biggest killer was the saints just getting possession after possession that just seemed to last for fuging EVER.  they killed us on TOP then made just a few plays at the end.  Credit where its due, thats how we beat the Packers and to a lesser extent the Rams.  Limit their possessions by just slugging it out and getting a TOP advantage.  Its how lesser teams beat better teams and we fell for our own trap.

I mean, that was a "good" Bryce day.  And as the folks on 99.9 fan said well..... ultimately, given what his good days overall are....that's the big picture issue.  Because a good day for Bryce isn't how you identify a good day for the rest of the league's starting QBs.  A good day isn't 175 yards, maybe a TD, maybe a turnover.

So it's big picture problems vs literally what cost us that particular game.  People talk both and should be able to.  That's why Bryce is brought up.  He represents the big picture issue even if it didn't literally cost us the game. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, that was a "good" Bryce day.  And as the folks on 99.9 fan said well..... ultimately, given what his good days overall are....that the big picture issue.  Because a good day for Bryce isn't how you identify a good day for the rest of the league's starting QBs.  A good day isn't 175 yards, maybe a TD, maybe a turnover.

So it's big picture problems, in literally what cost us that particular game.  People talk both and should be able to.  That's why Bryce is brought up.  He represents the big picture issue even if it didn't literally cost us the game. 

This is my problem with the Pro-Bryce crowd. Why does Bryce get graded on this curve??? Why?? He is a three year starter.

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I’m not overly defending the pick. I was team Stroud by a country mile but I also knew what to expect as far as ceiling goes with Bryce 

I had concerns with Bryce’s arm strength and size. Neither seem to overly be an issue. He’s proven to throw with enough anticipation that he makes up for a lack of velocity. I was worried about the way he played in college not translating to the league. Spending 8 seconds behind LOS. I did also think it would take Young a few years for him to reach his full potential. I also think he’s too smart and accurate to flat out bust which all of seems to be pretty accurate

Bryce is someone you can absolutely win with. No one thought he’d be the type to carry a well below average supporting cast to a Super Bowl. He’s fully capable of giving you those 4-5 special plays a game that help your team win. And then you have those rare times where he’s the reason you win like in Atlanta. 

All good teams have more than just a QB. 

Even the teams that are winning this year all have a lot more than what we have. Supporting cast/defense… more than what we have 

As far as Morgan goes I 100% agree. Fwiw he was legit team Bryce during the draft process. I know that for a fact. Last years draft is a complete write off. This past draft still up for debate. TMac and Scourton look solid. I can’t remember the last time I saw Princely win a rep and I’m being honest. Ransom has a little value. I think ETN is a nice insurance add. Evans could be a TE2. 
 

I think this offseason Morgan will get aggressive with trying to land a pass rusher. Whether that’s a trade for Crosby, signing Hendrickson, it’s going to be top priority. We need a ILB. I really like Kaden Ellis. Sonny Styles should be in our draft range. We also need a tight end and it would be interesting to see this offseason with Kenyon Sadiq 

Not sure what you mean writing off the last draft,  first year or not thats on him.  Completely.  This draft, on paper was promising but shine is off the apple as they say.   His FA signings are good but when you have to pay a premium thats going to catch up with you down the road.   I think all 3 get next year but like I said if it goes sideways we are starting over

 

As for bryce he will never in a million years be a solid nfl starter until he cleans up his drop backs, footwork and mechanics in general.  They were poo at bama and lo and behold 3 years in still poo. I think Reich saw/knew this and I think reality set in with Dave last training camp, hence the hiding of bryce.  You could even argue he did it again this year.   I truly think they will shake up the qb room this offseason.  But if they dont then I will be happy as hell when they get their pink slips.   But if they know deep down that Young simply isnt the dude, and there is 3 years of film/data to show, then I bet they are a bit leery of chaining themselves to Young for 2 more years.  Their plan works when the run game is on, but you have seen when its not.  

[Moonraker]

He's a hindrance. That isn't a personal attack, it just is what it is. I feel like everybody exploits the middle of the field, it's a crucial part of an NFL offense and we seem incapable of doing it with him. We would need an all-time elite defensive unit to compete with him at QB

Edited 1 hour ago by Moonraker

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This is my problem with the Pro-Bryce crowd. Why does Bryce get graded on this curve??? Why?? He is a three year starter.

yep, and that's what 99.9 fan hit so well.  The Bryce curve and bar that is unique to him.  People are saying he is trending up.....despite playing below average/poorly (by the standards applied to other QBs) in 4 of the last 6 games and majority of the season. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

yep, and that's what 99.9 fan hit so well.  The Bryce curve and bar that is unique to him.  People are saying he is trending up.....despite playing poorly (by the standards applied to other QBs) in 4 of the last 6 games and majority of the season. 

 

The biggest problem is that his upward trend is still well below NFL average. At some point there's just too much evidence to ignore. I've been there for awhile now. Honestly, it only took a handful of games for me to realize that he just had too many physical limitations to overcome to ever be a legitimate starter. I get that the organization couldn't afford to pull the plug that quick after that investment but there's absolutely no way we should've gone into year three without legitimate competition on the roster. We always a year behind kn this Bryce thing. This year should've been the legit competition year and this offseason should've been the moving on point. Hopefully we'll play catch up but I expect the trend to cj tinge and next year will be the vet competition year. 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not sure what you mean writing off the last draft,  first year or not thats on him.  Completely.  This draft, on paper was promising but shine is off the apple as they say.   His FA signings are good but when you have to pay a premium thats going to catch up with you down the road.   I think all 3 get next year but like I said if it goes sideways we are starting over

 

I meant write off in the entire class being absolute garbage and that being on Dan 

FA was pretty solid but Dan and Brandt handing out one big terrible contract to Turk Wharton. Milton was their top target and the pivot from Milton to Turk while paying Turk what they did was insane. 

Id LOVE to know had we not paid Turk what type of contract he would’ve received. 3/30 mayyyybe? This is someone Brandt obviously vouched for. 

I’ve watched a few of Tilis’ interviews now. One with Jourdan and one with Yates. He’s a big Moneyball fan. Giving Turk the deal they gave him is the complete opposite of the whole Moneyball idea. They paid a dude who they saw some potential in money that you’d pay someone that has actually made an impact 

The worst part is that he’s 100% here next year too. That contract keeps him here until 2027 for sure