Why does Bryce get the blame?

[ForJimmy]

56 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Little Friday night Bryce meltdown is good for the soul. 

[frankw]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It’s more like we mentioned he avoided pressure well last game and we get this little meltdown of yours as a response. You went on some rambling nonsense about rushing yards which no one was talking about and now we are left with a final “legitimately fug these people.” My God man, pull yourself together. Oh but you aren’t biased against him right?

How low is the bar for Bryce Young that you're spending a Friday night grasping at straws for something to praise him for by finding a silver lining in him avoiding pressure while being swept by Tyler Shough and the rebuilding Saints?

My god man. Pull yourself together.

[frankw]

I'm currently seeing worse things said about LaMelo Ball and he and Bryce Young are basically kindred spirits in terms of accomplishing anything whatsoever for their respective teams. It's almost like fans get tired of seeing the face of the franchise take them nowhere.

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

How low is the bar for Bryce Young that you're spending a Friday night grasping at straws for something to praise him for by finding a silver lining in him avoiding pressure while being swept by Tyler Shough and the rebuilding Saints?

My god man. Pull yourself together.

I was mentioning Icky playing hurt and allowing 5 pressures which Bryce actually managed well to another person. You proceeded to have this little meltdown about our expensive OL, excuses for Bryce, rushing yards, fug these people defending him etc… 

Other fans are going to have different opinions about different players. Life will be ok. You are just going to have to look down deep and realize your incoherent rambling, passive aggressive, non direct responses won’t change that. For the 1000th time I could care less if we move on from the guy, he isn’t comparable to Cam (my all time favorite player), I preferred Stroud and still do. With that all said I will still talk about him good or bad as I see it. 

[frankw]

Bryce Young against the Saints in 2 games

32/49 287 yards 1 TD 1 INT

5.8 yards per attempt

Sacked 3 times

Tyler Shough against the Panthers in 2 games

43/59 554 yards 3 TD's 0 INT

9.5 yards per attempt

Sacked 7 times

*but Bryce Young avoided pressure like a pro. HANG THE BANNER

[ForJimmy]

6 hours ago, frankw said:

It was a bad play from Icky but the OL didn't give up a sack until late in the 4th quarter and Bryce just stood there like he was canatonic. If our 3rd year number one overall pick can't overcome one single sack against a rebuilding Saints team that should only have 2 wins this season then it isn't ever going to happen. You can login here and act like you are the only one above the fray and rational but in reality you're just boot licking for bottom of the barrel QB play because there isn't anyone associated with the Panthers that you wouldn't throw under several speeding buses in order to run cover for Bryce Young.

So he did avoid sacks like a pro and this post of yours is just more nonsense? Time to pivot and deflect! 

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

So he did avoid sacks like a pro and this post of yours is just more nonsense? Time to pivot and deflect! 

Do you even hear yourself?

I used to laugh at the old guys who would chime on here complaining about participation trophies in modern sports but the Bryce Young era and folks like you have unfortunately brought legitimacy to such assertions.

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Do you even hear yourself?

I used to laugh at the old guys who would chime on here complaining about participation trophies in modern sports but the Bryce Young era and folks like you have unfortunately brought legitimacy to such assertions.

Yes consistent and coherent. I wish I could say the same for you. 

[Navy_football]

25 minutes ago, frankw said:

How low is the bar for Bryce Young that you're spending a Friday night grasping at straws for something to praise him for by finding a silver lining in him avoiding pressure while being swept by Tyler Shough and the rebuilding Saints?

My god man. Pull yourself together.

I don't think anyone here is saying Bryce Young is the future franchise QB we've been waiting for. But let's also not act like he has this great supporting cast. Receivers are not good right now. They're improved, but not really a good group yet. The oline has never really been great at pass pro, no matter how much they're getting paid. And the most expensive one isn't even on the field. Kinda weird that you keep circling back to that narrative. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Our line is built to run 1st, not pass block. Our LT was drafted as a run blocking mauler, not the pass pro ready. 

And then we proceeded to have an OC design plays around a zone blocking scheme in Young's rookie season.

I remember that discussion well.

[Mr. Scot]

6 hours ago, carolinanimal said:

i presented this in another thread. he throws better to the out breaking routes the wr run, but almost nothing to the inside. that is half the options on a wr route tree. How do you run an offense like that? 

even the outbreaking routes he throws are moonballs, that allow the DBs to catch up unless the wr is wide open. he has to throw with a lot of anticipation becuase he doesnt have the arm strenght to get it there if he is a little late. thats probably why you see balls behind the wrs.  

Interesting

Gonna have to watch the distribution in the future... 

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And then we proceeded to have an OC design plays around a zone blocking scheme in Young's rookie season.

I remember that discussion well.

I like Icky but he was the wrong tackle to take. Learning run blocking is much easier than learning pass blocking. Cross was pass pro ready. He was the tackle we should have taken without hesitation. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I’d agree with that. His rookie year he created extra sacks as well. I think lately he has gotten better at avoiding pressure and Sunday was a good example of that. That’s really all I was saying until it got branched off into “revisionist history” and “rushing yards.”  This is where we are at though with him. Some people can’t even have a normal conversation after him.

An odd little vibe I've noticed here of late: some folks are "all or nothing" to an absolutely extreme level when it comes to Bryce.

Here's a bit of truth telling though:

There are, in fact, things Bryce does well.

Likewise, there are areas in which he's improved over his time here.

He has, on several occasions now, legitimately helped us win games.

On the flipside, there have been failures in other areas as well as coaching that we're not in any way his fault. 

And finally , it is also genuinely possible that the team may see him as the future, even if we don't.

The craziest part, though? It's actually possible that they're right and we're wrong.

All of this is true, and more, yet if you accept any of these premises people go from zero to apesh-t in under three seconds

Anything less than total disavowal of Bryce and / or agreement that he's the worst QB of all time and suddenly you're a "stan".

Oy

The reality though? 

Bryce is indeed an NFL quarterback. Not a great one, probably backup level good, and I've seen way worse.

Now, if you run that statement through your personal Google translator and it comes back with some version of "I want to throw 50 million a year at Bryce for the next 10 years", that's not really my issue it's yours 

I don't wanna make him the franchise quarterback, but it's not my call. Win or lose, the team is going to do what they think is best.

And as always, if it disagrees with what I think we should do, I'm gonna hope I'm the one who's wrong.

Internet clout means nothing. Watching my favorite team win at my favorite sport meas fun

Edited 3 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I like Icky but he was the wrong tackle to take. Learning run blocking is much easier than learning pass blocking. Cross was pass pro ready. He was the tackle we should have taken without hesitation. 

I've been saying since his second season that I wish they'd move him to guard and look for a different left tackle. 

He seems to have done better this season though, enough that several people are talking about paying him as a left tackle.