Why does Bryce get the blame?

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, strato said:

So yeah let’s blame a DC for failing to succeed after they pillaged your defense in every manner available to them to prop up their QB. For two hard years like scorched earth they tore that defense down and spent the proceeds on the offense. You know. Draft, cap, FA. Drained the defense. 
Whatever you think of Evero. Whoever the DC is. No one can compete with what they gave him. 
The whole organization should have been apologizing to him. 

I am no Evero homer but let’s be real. 

There are definite schematic issues with Evero, but that's not the point.

The point is Canales was willing to give him chances, and that even after a (historically) bad year.

Bryce, at least so far, is ending this season same as he did last year: trending up.

That tells me Canales is highly unlikely to move on from him.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, carolinanimal said:

i just think that this offense directly shadows what Bryce is comfortable doing. thats why it looks like it does. A lot of throws to the outside of the wr route tree, the flat, comeback, out(sometimes) and the corner. this with rollouts is what i think he is most comfortable doing. The problem dave canales has is i dont think he is as comfortable or even good throwing the inside part of the wr route tree, the go, the post , the drag , the curl(50/50) or the slant (50/50). that eliminates a lot of possible plays. 

A lot of that is basic WCO, but I'm guessing you know that. 

Would add that I'd rather a coach adjust his schemes to fit the players anyway but that's a separate debate. 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

All super cool.  Let’s stay on task here.  We talking Bryce Young and Dave Canales.  I know you don’t want to but I’m not going anywhere else with you at this point as has been told to you over and over.  

We are talking about Bryce, and have been. Specifically, your suggestion that he doesn't fit the scheme Canales runs.

And on that point, I accept your concession

Edited 8 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[carolinanimal]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

A lot of that is basic WCO, but I'm guessing you know that. 

Would add that I'd rather a coach adjust his schemes to fit the players anyway but that's a separate debate. 

do you think you can run a successful offense with half the options gone?

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, carolinanimal said:

do you think you can run a successful offense with half the options gone?

Not really, but I'd say the WCO is a better fit for Bryce's skill set. Tough to picture him in a Coryell.

He's just not a good enough player ability-wise and  consistency-wise.

I think he'd make a great backup, but I seriously doubt there's any path to that destination. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[JawnyBlaze]

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does Newton own his win-loss record, though?

Tying quarterbacks to their team's record is a complicated debate. Most football analysts would say it isn't fair, but on the flipside it's a very commonly used metric.

Ultimately, I'm comfortable looking at whether we win or lose with a certain QB, but I acknowledge the folks who don't think it's a fair way to judge a career. 

I despise try to attribute wins and losses to one person. It’s simplistic and a completely inaccurate way to evaluate a player. Our wins and losses aren’t on Bryce, just like that stupid “4th quarter comeback” stat isn’t relevant in any way.  Way too many factors to lay it all on one person, blame or credit.  

[Jacabee]

Frankly surprised by the amount of people that want to hang Evero. This was a defense that was almost universally considered the bottom of the barrel before this season started. We’ve managed to stat our way to the middle of the pack whatever that means.

Those critical of the zone schemes, what do you want? When even JC is getting burnt one on one by Olave you have little choice. There definitely have been moments where the zone blitz stuff has bit us. That said, are the third string linebackers (and nick Scott) covering poo anyway?

This unit had only conceded 10 points going into the fourth quarter despite a litany of bullshit penalties on both sides. Them over performing is the biggest reason we are still in playoff contention. 

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, Jacabee said:

This unit had only conceded 10 points going into the fourth quarter despite a litany of bullshit penalties on both sides. Them over performing is the biggest reason we are still in playoff contention. 

I’ve seen a few people mention the fact NO only had 10 points going into the 4th as some sort of victory by the defense. 

I assume you’re box score watching?

The Saints had 4 real possessions going into the 4th quarter. One was the 11:22 minute TD drive and the other a 7:58 FG drive

According to nextgenstats there are normally 24 possessions in a game. There were 16 in Sundays game and that’s including a one play kneel down “possession” at the end of the first half and the final 1 play “possession” at the end of the game 

For comparison, there were 11 possessions in last nights Seahawks Rams game in the 4th quarter alone 

Edited 6 minutes ago by *FreeFua*