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Bryce Young NFL NGS Throwing Breakdown '23-'25

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1 minute ago, NAS said:

analysis paralysis - just bring in some real competition for next year 

If we don't do that this offseason, I can assure you that from Dan Morgan down to Dave Canales, you can purge the whole lot of them as far as I am concerned. They will have wholly proven they are unfit to ever find a franchise QB.

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29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I disagree with the composure aspect because he freaks out so frequently and refuses to step up into the pocket so often when that is the correct play. I do agree on the lack of fire. An overwhelming majority of Bryce's flaws are things he simply refuses to fix. His footwork is fuging atrocious. That's on him. 

IMO, Bryce will be languishing as a backup for 1-3 years before he is out of the NFL once he leaves the Panthers. I think his NFL career is almost as close to the end as it is the beginning.

Either way, I think we can agree that barring some miraculous transformation in the playoffs, it's time to move on. 

Can he be an NFL QB at even back up level? Probably. Maybe. Possibly. Can he be the franchise QB that sets the tone for a decade here? 

No. 

(Once again, barring that miracle.) No hate to the young fellow, but it's just not what it needs to be.

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4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Either way, I think we can agree that barring some miraculous transformation in the playoffs, it's time to move on. 

Can he be an NFL QB at even back up level? Probably. Maybe. Possibly. Can he be the franchise QB that sets the tone for a decade here? 

No. 

(Once again, barring that miracle.) No hate to the young fellow, but it's just not what it needs to be.

At this point, as much as you can blame him for not improving, the bulk of the blame goes to Dan Morgan and Dave Canales for not addressing the problem. In fact, in the 2026 NFL season, I will NEVER blame Bryce Young for a single ounce of his performance because these gentlemen will have had ample time and supposed professional eyes to diagnose the same things that almost everyone else can see. 

From 2026 onward, Bryce has zero blame in my eyes. This is all on the coaching staff and front office.

 

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39 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

AT was injured for a good chunk of that home stretch that Bryce was playing well. I don't think his success really has very much to do with WR's at all. DC deserves some blame for a bad offense but the majority of his lack of development is squarely his fault.

AT played the last seven games of the season and out of those seven, Bryce had 5 of his best games for the year. 

You stated Bryces' best performance was in 24 and he looked more confident then. I agree.

He seems to have lost some confidence and performace - he also lost his best receiver and the only receiver with any experience. I can't help but think the two are related. 

No doubt I am disappointed in his performance this year. He has regressed. I just think the receiving corps he has to work with can explain some of that regression. 

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AT played the last seven games of the season and out of those seven, Bryce had 5 of his best games for the year. 

You stated Bryces' best performance was in 24 and he looked more confident then. I agree.

He seems to have lost some confidence and performace - he also lost his best receiver and the only receiver with any experience. I can't help but think the two are related. 

I mean....making the leap to "Bryce can only be successful with AT" is a WILD thing. Especially when you basically all but say AT is just better than TMac which I don't think many would agree with. There are elements of his game he is surely better at, which one would expect for a long tenured veteran WR. But I don't think(even that idiotic bum XL) the WR's were the problem with Bryce.

I think the biggest problem with Bryce is very clear. He is not dedicated to becoming a good NFL player.

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22 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean....making the leap to "Bryce can only be successful with AT" is a WILD thing. Especially when you basically all but say AT is just better than TMac which I don't think many would agree with. There are elements of his game he is surely better at, which one would expect for a long tenured veteran WR. But I don't think(even that idiotic bum XL) the WR's were the problem with Bryce.

I think the biggest problem with Bryce is very clear. He is not dedicated to becoming a good NFL player.

I am not saying that at all. My point is you have a relatively new QB with a relatively new HC. The only veteran presence he had was AT and he lost him at the beginning of the season. He also lost Coker. Young is limited by his physical nature but makes up for it by anticipating routes and throwing receivers to a spot. AT was very good at that. Like Young, he isn't gifted physically but he knew how to find the openings and could be at the spot Young anticipated. That is why they were so good together.

I also am not saying AT is better than TMac. TMac is a stud and could wind up being the best receiver the Panthers have ever had. But this is his first year in the NFL and right now he is relying on his physical traits more than experience/knowledge. As he and Young get more experience together, I think you will see his completion % increase and with that you will see Youngs' number improve.

Will they ever improve enough to satisfy those around here who don't like him, I doubt it. But I think they could improve enough to be a viable QB for some NFL team, whether here or someplace else.

And finally, I strongly disagree with him not being dedicated. Not really sure where that comes from.

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38 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If we don't do that this offseason, I can assure you that from Dan Morgan down to Dave Canales, you can purge the whole lot of them as far as I am concerned. They will have wholly proven they are unfit to ever find a franchise QB.

If Morgan was interested in improving our QB room, he would have done it by now. He appears to be 100% all in on Young.

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I am not saying that at all. My point is you have a relatively new QB with a relatively new HC. The only veteran presence he had was AT and he lost him at the beginning of the season. He also lost Coker. Young is limited by his physical nature but makes up for it by anticipating routes and throwing receivers to a spot. AT was very good at that. Like Young, he isn't gifted physically but he knew how to find the openings and could be at the spot Young anticipated. That is why they were so good together.

I also am not saying AT is better than TMac. TMac is a stud and could wind up being the best receiver the Panthers have ever had. But this is his first year in the NFL and right now he is relying on his physical traits more than experience/knowledge. As he and Young get more experience together, I think you will see his completion % increase and with that you will see Youngs' number improve.

Will they ever improve enough to satisfy those around here who don't like him, I doubt it. But I think they could improve enough to be a viable QB for some NFL team, whether here or someplace else.

And finally, I strongly disagree with him not being dedicated. Not really sure where that comes from.

But the issue is that Young doesn't anticipate well often enough. He frequently misses those throws or is late on them because he is so fuging off schedule. 

The dedication comes from still having the same issues with awful footwork after three full offseasons and three full seasons. He literally sucks at one of the most basic elements of being a QB. And footwork and mechanics issues plague a LOT of young QB's. But it's rare that they have made so little improvements this deep into their careers, especially when they are the overwhelming bulk of the flaws in the overall player. IMO, that smacks of lack of dedication. As I stated earlier in this thread, he literally said he "stepped away from football" in his first offseason after his rookie year. Does that sound very dedicated? That's not normal high level competitor energy, I can tell you that.

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9 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

If Morgan was interested in improving our QB room, he would have done it by now. He appears to be 100% all in on Young.

I have the same suspicion. I am just waiting to see if that is confirmed in the offseason.

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11 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

If Morgan was interested in improving our QB room, he would have done it by now. He appears to be 100% all in on Young.

This game could shift perception a lot.  If Bryce has a great game there's a 0% chance we'll even sign a different backup.  But if he has a bad game, it will color a lot of the off season more than a single bad regular season game.

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Bryce is essentially what you would call a bridge QB. A body that occupies the starting role while you look to make a move to find you a QB.   We should treat/view him as such.  

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bryce struggles to see over the line. It makes those short over the middle YAC throws that a lot of other NFL teams use as staples of their offense difficult to execute for us.

 

That isn't the only issue. Watch his throws to 10-15 yard out and comeback routes and look how long the throws take to get there when compared to any other playoff QB.

Size is just 1 of many weaknesses for Bryce. His arm strength is below average and it's made even worse because the dumbass rarely steps into his throws because he throws fadeaways off his back foot

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