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At this moment, Bryce is not in a place to make demands. He has shown flashes but he has also played pretty badly at times. He is on the cusp of earning a contract but has to show more consistency. Now if he goes off in the playoffs, well I guess that would change things.

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7 minutes ago, cranky said:

At this moment, Bryce is not in a place to make demands. He has shown flashes but he has also played pretty badly at times. He is on the cusp of earning a contract but has to show more consistency. Now if he goes off in the playoffs, well I guess that would change things.

It is a little incongruent to see ‘not in place to make demands’ next to the sentiment of extension candidate. 
 

Yeah no one disputes that he has played well in places.  Very well in a couple. But a whole lot of it is not what you want your NFL team to be putting on the field.  

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10 minutes ago, cranky said:

At this moment, Bryce is not in a place to make demands. He has shown flashes but he has also played pretty badly at times. He is on the cusp of earning a contract but has to show more consistency. Now if he goes off in the playoffs, well I guess that would change things.

No agent in his right mind is going to let his qb play his 5th year without a contract.  Thats crazy talk

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11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

No agent in his right mind is going to let his qb play his 5th year without a contract.  Thats crazy talk

I may be wrong but isn’t there only about one or two qbs to actually play on the fifth? Every other qb that gets the fifth tag ends up getting an extension before the first game I believe. 

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26 minutes ago, strato said:

It is a little incongruent to see ‘not in place to make demands’ next to the sentiment of extension candidate. 
 

Yeah no one disputes that he has played well in places.  Very well in a couple. But a whole lot of it is not what you want your NFL team to be putting on the field.  

As much as I believe he can become a franchis QB, he is not there yet and his play does not warrant making demands. I may be a stan but I'm not gonna be stupid about it.

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49 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Do you think Bryce and his agent will go into 2027 with no contract?

I mean he wouldn’t have much choice and Bryce holding out given all the uncertainty the first 3 years wouldn’t exactly be a smart move on his part 

Hypothetically speaking if Bryce continues to progress in year 4 and the Panthers keep progressing and make the playoffs again then yeah, it gets a bit tricky as far as contract into 2027 goes. I guess that all depends on what exactly that year 4 progression looks like 

Pick up the option and worry about that at the end of next season when you have another full season to evaluate 

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48 minutes ago, CRA said:

this train of thought selectively ignores that Bryce is a literal physical anomaly in the NFL though.  No amount of time will change that.

His arm isn’t gonna magically get better either and fixing his footwork seems to be a non issue for him, so all I reasonably see is more of the same. I mean he has shown that with the proper form he can throw .. okay, NFL speaking. Much better than when doesn’t use it. But he doesn’t seem to focus on it. 

What significant strides do the people saying this expect to see?

This year for me was about raising his floor and he has nowhere near done that. He has improved on his ceiling somewhat. But I think he is bumping up against that. 
 


 

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8 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I mean he wouldn’t have much choice and Bryce holding out given all the uncertainty the first 3 years wouldn’t exactly be a smart move on his part 

Hypothetically speaking if Bryce continues to progress in year 4 and the Panthers keep progressing and make the playoffs again then yeah, it gets a bit tricky as far as contract into 2027 goes. I guess that all depends on what exactly that year 4 progression looks like 

Pick up the option and worry about that at the end of next season when you have another full season to evaluate 

thats the thing you are not getting, picking up the option for that price basically you are saying young is the dude for 2 more years.  And like I just said he is going to want a new deal regardless after the 4rth.

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23 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

I may be wrong but isn’t there only about one or two qbs to actually play on the fifth? Every other qb that gets the fifth tag ends up getting an extension before the first game I believe. 

Lamar did and went into the franchise tag.  The difference here is A)he and his mom were acting as his agent which everyone under the moon said that was insane and B)they were actively negoiating while he was playing.  He knew a deal was coming

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

thats the thing you are not getting, picking up the option for that price basically you are saying young is the dude for 2 more years.  And like I just said he is going to want a new deal regardless after the 4rth.

Huh? If Young continues to progress and the Panthers are progressing you’re most likely going to sign Young anyways. If it’s still a bit unclear that’s where it gets tricky but in Young’s case given his first 2 years he might have to be one of the rare cases of playing on his 5th yr option 

If it’s clear he’s the weak link here then all you’re stuck with is his 5th year option. I’m sure some team would take a swing on Young. Even with the option price tag but if not then you’re stuck with 26 mill for one year. Big whoop

Not sure why you keep stressing about this. Ultimately it would be silly not to pick up the option

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4 hours ago, Navy_football said:

That's an overly optimistic take. Particularly because of the limited action part. To say you'd take that guy over any 3 years starter in the NFL is a tough one. The devil you know is better than the one you don't. We have no idea who Malik Willis is or will be because he hasn't played enough. 

When your guy throws for 54 yards in a must win game, it's not that risky to get another guy. Should we   keep XL? What if the next WR we get is worse?

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