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3 hours ago, Navy_football said:

I don't know... Jayden Higgins, Jaylin Noel, Xavier Hutchinson, Christian Kirk and Dalton Schultz aren't bad. I'd definitely take that over Carolina's group. We have a few good young individuals, but no real veteran presence. That squad is gonna be bonkers, particularly when Nico and Tank return. 

Schultz missed almost the entire game.  I'm not talking about the skill group when healthy.  I'm talking about the pieces Stroud was missing in the specific game against the Patriots.  

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6 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

It's still CJ by a wide margin.  BY has closed the gap, but the gap is still considerably large.  Let's not forget CJ was without basically ALL of his weapons in this last game against the Patriots, and I'm pretty sure he had an injury.  BY lost to that same Pats team by like 40 points.  In fairness, a good bit of that was due to the defense.  That said, BY was completely incapable of keeping us in the game.  Mistake free football does not always equal good football.  He still had a bad game.

He was atrocious against Pittsburgh too. It's more than "a bad game." Also, it isn't just a bad game because he looked completely lost and completely overwhelmed. Closest I have seen to that are the classic Darnold meltdowns where you can see on his face in the game he isn't gonna recover.

And he looked that way for two straight playoffs games with a potential cakewalk to a Super Bowl appearance. That's insane to melt down that hard on the biggest stage.

He has been on a fairly steady downward trend across his three seasons, so I am not sure what the deal is with him. 

That was such a massive meltdown and the way he has handled the press conferences since would make me very, very, VERY worried if I was a Texans fan.

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The hyperbole is amusing but ultimately nobody cares about press conferences. The Texans seem to be a fairly well ran organization with a solid coaching staff. If they're smart they'll buy low on Stroud and keep a backup plan. The rest of the roster around the QB is plenty capable. And as the playoff picture has shown this past year it doesn't take much to get into the dance for them. Remember when folks here were clowning them for having 2 wins early in the season? They still won another playoff game while we're still trying to get over the hump.

As far as playoff meltdowns go. Sam Darnold had a meltdown against the Rams in the playoffs as the Vikings QB a year ago and most of us laughed our asses off at him and now he's a game away from the Super Bowl with the Seahawks while the Vikings sunk back to joke status.

It's an unpredictable league.

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3 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Naming Dalton Schultz like he didn’t miss the better part of 3 quarters 

Or how about Kirk who had an incredible 250 yards receiving this year.  XL finished season with more yards than Kirk. 

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38 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He was atrocious against Pittsburgh too. It's more than "a bad game." Also, it isn't just a bad game because he looked completely lost and completely overwhelmed. Closest I have seen to that are the classic Darnold meltdowns where you can see on his face in the game he isn't gonna recover.

And he looked that way for two straight playoffs games with a potential cakewalk to a Super Bowl appearance. That's insane to melt down that hard on the biggest stage.

He has been on a fairly steady downward trend across his three seasons, so I am not sure what the deal is with him. 

That was such a massive meltdown and the way he has handled the press conferences since would make me very, very, VERY worried if I was a Texans fan.

Bryce had his best season this year and it wasn't even remotely as good as Stroud's "worst" (2024, which was still a damn good season). His passer rating and efficiency were actually up this year compared to last.  His yards and TDs would likely have been higher as well, were it not for missing three games due to injury.  So he's actually improved his overall body of work. I don't see any trend downward whatsoever.  I agree the playoff game was a meltdown, but I think that had much more to do with missing weapons and what appeared to be an injured hand.  After his hand hit the center's helmet his accuracy clearly suffered.  It was a terrible game, but I don't foresee it being as career-altering. In regard to the topic of the thread, I'd trade 5 Bryce Youngs for one CJ Stroud in an instant and never look back.  

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46 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

, but I think that had much more to do with missing weapons and what appeared to be an injured hand.  After his hand hit the center's helmet his accuracy clearly suffered. 
 

I agree with everything else but his first pass is the game was pa rollout to the flag, wide open pitch and catch, and he threw it behind the receiver and low. 

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

That kid is fuging done. I am telling ya'll, everything about him exudes shattered confidence.

Quite a turn of events from when he named himself the third best QB in the league after his rookie season (behind Mahomes and Lamar).

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10 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

Quite a turn of events from when he named himself the third best QB in the league after his rookie season (behind Mahomes and Lamar).

I forgot about that little tidbit. 

He is very clearly not that. Lamar has never choked anywhere near as bad as CJ did over a two game span.

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1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Bryce had his best season this year and it wasn't even remotely as good as Stroud's "worst" (2024, which was still a damn good season). His passer rating and efficiency were actually up this year compared to last.  His yards and TDs would likely have been higher as well, were it not for missing three games due to injury.  So he's actually improved his overall body of work. I don't see any trend downward whatsoever.  I agree the playoff game was a meltdown, but I think that had much more to do with missing weapons and what appeared to be an injured hand.  After his hand hit the center's helmet his accuracy clearly suffered.  It was a terrible game, but I don't foresee it being as career-altering. In regard to the topic of the thread, I'd trade 5 Bryce Youngs for one CJ Stroud in an instant and never look back.  

He injured his hand against Pittsburgh? Because he tried hard to lose them that game too. 

It wasn't an aberration. He was insanely bad the entire postseason.

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9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He injured his hand against Pittsburgh? Because he tried hard to lose them that game too. 

It wasn't an aberration. He was insanely bad the entire postseason.

No.  When did I claim he did?  I'll take the data of three seasons worth of games over two postseason games.  I think, in fact, two random bad games in an otherwise fantastic start to a career is about the definition of an aberration in the context of football.  By your logic Peyton Manning should have been shipped off back in 04 when he threw 4 picks against the Pats.  There are countless other examples, of course, I could point to, but you (probably) get the point.

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1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

No.  When did I claim he did?  I'll take the data of three seasons worth of games over two postseason games.  I think, in fact, two random bad games in an otherwise fantastic start to a career is about the definition of an aberration in the context of football.  By your logic Peyton Manning should have been shipped off back in 04 when he threw 4 picks against the Pats.  There are countless other examples, of course, I could point to, but you (probably) get the point.

I am pointing out that the parade of excuses sounds about like a typical Bryce stan.

The point isn't poor play. We all see QB's do that. We never saw a Peyton game where he had absolutely zero idea what to do, like he did against Pittsburgh and New England.

Mark my words, this is something to watch next season.

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