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Round 3: The Carolina Panthers select WR Chris Brazzell II (Tennessee)


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3 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

I wonder where Canales envisions his position. At first I thought tall slot guy with that speed, but maybe the vision truly is to have Coker operate out of the slot.

 

 

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If they wanna give Coker the Thielen slot style role I could see it working. Coker can probably do some things outside that should still warrant him out there, maybe if they get Horn or Metchie inside on those plays when in rotation

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4 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

Idk what some are seeing, but it’s different from what I am.  His highlight reel shows a very fluid and shifty guy, especially for his size.  Yes, I’m sure bc of his size, he will excel on streaks and seams, but even the profile they did on him after the pick, they both said and showed that he can run all of the routes.  He has great feet and fluid movement outside of his straight-line speed.

I'm reading all that I can (including the above linked profile), and I'm not going to try and convince myself that he's something he's not. Can he grow? I hope so. But he's nowhere near pro-ready. People are just enamored with size and speed.

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31 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Kelvin Benjamin was a talent. It wasn't talent that failed him. It was his appetite. 

How does he remind you of these former players?  I'm not arguing, I'm trying to figure out your logic. So because he's a tall WR, he automatically fits your criteria? 

Just a big WR that makes big catches and has some speed. 
 

im not saying he’s going to be a bust, I just have memories over the years of WRs with similar builds that ended up doing nothing. 
 

Reading that Tennessee changed their offense this year does give me some hope though. 
 

still just cause he’s 6’5 and has some speed doesn’t mean he’ll work out.

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1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

If they wanna give Coker the Thielen slot style role I could see it working. Coker can probably do some things outside that should still warrant him out there, maybe if they get Horn or Metchie inside on those plays when in rotation

Honestly, I think we have a chance at having a very fluid set of roles.  All 3 of T-Mac, Coker, and Brazzell seem like they can bring something from both the outside and the slot.  

We saw last year how well T-Mac did when we would line him up in the slot and get mismatches, especially the quick slants (something he was great at in college too).  Problem was that he was just far too valuable for us on the outside as for most of the year we didn't have anyone else who could remotely play that role until Coker came on strong late.

I very well could see us line up with any of the 3 in any spot in the formation depending what we're trying to accomplish on the play.

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I think Bryce's longest pass air yardage wise was the 40 yarder to Tet on 4th down against the Bucs. He had to slow down a ton to not out run the throw. What good is a fast straight line guy going to do with Bryce? Anyone remember that throw to Legette against NO? He got behind the defense and had to fall to the ground to keep from out running the throw.

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5 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

I think Bryce's longest pass air yardage wise was the 40 yarder to Tet on 4th down against the Bucs. He had to slow down a ton to not out run the throw. What good is a fast straight line guy going to do with Bryce? Anyone remember that throw to Legette against NO? He got behind the defense and had to fall to the ground to keep from out running the throw.

Yeah, that. He had to slow down for a few in his highlights and did really well. Of course they were highlights… 

It seems to me a fly route can only with with fast and Bryce if Bryce throws it up like, as soon as the ball is in his hands. Down the field the defenders can close on Bryce’s ball enough to close some large windows.  This guy seems good at fighting for it though.  

The main thing is, I guess, if the defense has to appreciate it can be completed over their heads they have to respect that. Which for three years, they have not.  

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3 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah, that. He had to slow down for a few in his highlights and did really well. Of course they were highlights… 

It seems to me a fly route can only with with fast and Bryce if Bryce throws it up like, as soon as the ball is in his hands. Down the field the defenders can close on Bryce’s ball enough to close some large windows.  This guy seems good at fighting for it though.  

The main thing is, I guess, if the defense has to appreciate it can be completed over their heads they have to respect that. Which for three years, they have not.  

Exactly, if he's getting past his man, they're going to have to keep a safety deep on his side of the field just in case.  As even if it's like you said, Bryce needs to throw it quickly with a ton of arc, if the defense doesn't keep a safety deep, you can take those shots and his speed will burn you.

I'm talking myself into liking this pick... IF, and it's a big if... Horn Jr or Metchie are able to be that quick twitch guy in the slot for us this year.  If one of them can't adequately fill that role, then I'm going to have wished this was a WR in that mold instead.  But if one of them can be that for us, then I really like this pick and the potential (and sure, part of it is thinking he could be a real weapon with a new QB next year).

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2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Eh… like the 4.37 speed, but from the highlights they showed, it looks more like a straight line speed and not the quick shifty slot that we needed.

Just don’t see Bryce being able to take advantage of this type of weapon with his arm.

Honestly this pick suggests we aren’t sold on Bryce and that’s a great sign if so. There weren’t really any real opportunities to upgrade this offseason but next year there could be. 

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16 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Exactly, if he's getting past his man, they're going to have to keep a safety deep on his side of the field just in case.  As even if it's like you said, Bryce needs to throw it quickly with a ton of arc, if the defense doesn't keep a safety deep, you can take those shots and his speed will burn you.

I'm talking myself into liking this pick... IF, and it's a big if... Horn Jr or Metchie are able to be that quick twitch guy in the slot for us this year.  If one of them can't adequately fill that role, then I'm going to have wished this was a WR in that mold instead.  But if one of them can be that for us, then I really like this pick and the potential (and sure, part of it is thinking he could be a real weapon with a new QB next year).

We are for sure missing a tough quicker smaller prototype.  You take what you can get though sometimes.  
 

This ‘next guy’ concept, is foreign to me. We have been sentenced to Bryce for life and are basically told to suck it up. 

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