Carson Palmer = Yes Please

[Davidson Deac II]

Zod, if palmer was still the qb he once was, i'd be dooling all over the chance to get him as a panther qb.

Fact is, he's barely a shell of the qb he once was.

You want a broken qb, go for it...beat that drum. It won't make him back into the qb he once was.

The question is why did he struggle the last 1.5 to 2 years. Was it because of medical problems, problems with the team, or does he just need a change of scenery.

[The Saltman]

Zod, if palmer was still the qb he once was, i'd be dooling all over the chance to get him as a panther qb.

Fact is, he's barely a shell of the qb he once was.

You want a broken qb, go for it...beat that drum. It won't make him back into the qb he once was.

so whats your suggestion then?

[teeray]

I would not give up ANYTHING close to a first round pick for him.

Given the fact that he has told Cinn that he will retire before he plays next season for them, his value is much, much lower.

If he sticks to that stance, the Bengals could either watch him retire and get nothing. Or, they could get something (lower pick or switching picks) for him and send him to an NFC team.

Even the Bengals are not stupid enough to let him retire.....

Actually yes they are.

[mmmbeans]

for being a broken QB, cincinatti sure seems hell-bent on forcing him to stay.

i would assume a thorough physical would be a prerequisite to any trade.

[pantherclaw]

The question is why did he struggle the last 1.5 to 2 years. Was it because of medical problems, problems with the team, or does he just need a change of scenery.

He also had more offensive talent around him in cincy, than he ever would have as a panther.

Change of scenery isn't going to morph him back into the qb/man he was pre-injuries.

[panthers55]

Still, not many people hung 357 yards on the Packers this past season...

You should also factor in that Palmer was playing in the same system he's played in for years with a decent o-line and at least one good receiver whom he's very comfortable with while McNabb was playing in a totally new system, with nobody worth a damn at WR whom he has any familiarity with behind what may be the worst o-line in the NFL.

I'm not saying McNabb is going to put us on his back and carry us to the SB, but at this point I think he's a better bet than Palmer simply because Palmer seems to have something seriously wrong with his arm and I'm not willing to forget about 11 years of success for McNabb (granted, in a WCO) vs. one year of failure with the Skins (who could make any QB look bad).

All of this debate assumes that either of them would want to play here in the first place. Neither of them needs the money and realize that their best years are behind them. Still I bet they would both like a shot a ring before they retire. I really doubt they could do it here.

I would really like to see someone give Palmer a thorough physical to evaluate his arm and I would like to see McNabb throw some deep vertical passes and 20 yards stick routes to see whether he can make the throws required in this offense.

Then we could have a debate about who would be better in our system.

[pantherclaw]

so whats your suggestion then?

Is Hurney and Richardson here taking suggestions from the huddle? Ahhhhh poo, we're doomed then!!

[blackcatgrowl]

Pickup Palmer. Draft Newton. Bench Pickles. Let Moore walk. Dump Pike.

Sounds like a plan for success to me.

[The Saltman]

Never said that. But this is a carolina panthers messageboard so we talk about what we want to see happen with our panthers. Maybe we should just all stop posting then.

*waits for most posters to tell me to stop posting* ;)

[pantherclaw]

While they are evaluating palmer's arm, they need to do the same about his head. I'm more concerned it's mental now, than it is physical.

[CatMan72]

Salt my friend, that whole situation is BS. Bottom line Shanahans kid sucks ass as an OC and when McNabb tried to do something about it, Shanahan made him the scape goat.

Honestly if they would take our 4th I have no issues with mcNabb. The guy still has 3-4 good seasons in him which allows us to move down, grab more defense, maybe get a 2nd rounder to grab a QB and develop OR take one in the first next year and develop them.

This, it's funny how Shanny Jr's offense didn't work quite as well without Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson... the kid is over-hyped just like his old man.

[CatMan72]

While they are evaluating palmer's arm, they need to do the same about his head. I'm more concerned it's mental now, than it is physical.

Yup, he's got a case of the Jakes.

[Lumps]

Never said that. But this is a carolina panthers messageboard so we talk about what we want to see happen with our panthers. Maybe we should just all stop posting then.

*waits for most posters to tell me to stop posting* ;)

You can stop posting now.

I have an opinion so I'll stop posting too.

[Davidson Deac II]

He also had more offensive talent around him in cincy, than he ever would have as a panther.

Change of scenery isn't going to morph him back into the qb/man he was pre-injuries.

At wr perhaps, but overall I am not so sure. I don't know much about Cincy's oline, but certainly he has never had a running game as good as we should next year, even if Williams leaves.