With All This Newton Debate...

[Mother Grabber]

The biggest thing it shows is just how much influence Fox had over our FO operations. It's like the entire organization has taken a deep breath and has had a huge weight taken off their shoulders.

[Icege]

I love the logic both camps are using.

Pro Cam: Cam is the best player in the draft and nobody is going to want to trade up.

No Cam: Cam has concerns and if he's so good, why doesn't anybody want to trade up for him?

It's like watching dogs at the track chasing after the rabbit, only it never stops going in circles.

[Catalyst]

It's extremely rare for teams to trade up into the 1st overall pick. Hasn't happened since 2001; there's a reason for that and it has a lot more to do with the price of moving up than the talent of the player(s) on the board.

[Ricky Spanish]

as long as newton puts forth the effort to be the best he can potentially be, I am all for taking him.

however, I have my doubts he can attain his full potential.

[panthers55]

I love the logic both camps are using.

Pro Cam: Cam is the best player in the draft and nobody is going to want to trade up.

No Cam: Cam has concerns and if he's so good, why doesn't anybody want to trade up for him?

It's like watching dogs at the track chasing after the rabbit, only it never stops going in circles.

The pro Cam logic goes that he is the best guy in the draft and we should draft him at number 1. How can he be as bad as the anti Cam people think and still have folks clamoring for him. If he is as bad as others think, no one is going to want to trade up. Since they are, then the anti Cam folks are wrong or all the GMs and scouts who want to move up and risk their jobs on the pick are crazy.

The Anti Cam folks say that no one is worth the number 1 pick so lets trade down if we an or pick the BPA. If someone is stupid enough to trade up for him and give us multiple picks, we should jump on it no questions asked.

Just depends on your point of view.

[panthers55]

as long as newton puts forth the effort to be the best he can potentially be, I am all for taking him.

however, I have my doubts he can attain his full potential.

Why not?

[Millions]

The pro Cam logic goes that he is the best guy in the draft and we should draft him at number 1. How can he be as bad as the anti Cam people think and still have folks clamoring for him. If he is as bad as others think, no one is going to want to trade up. Since they are, then the anti Cam folks are wrong or all the GMs and scouts who want to move up and risk their jobs on the pick are crazy.

The Anti Cam folks say that no one is worth the number 1 pick so lets trade down if we an or pick the BPA. If someone is stupid enough to trade up for him and give us multiple picks, we should jump on it no questions asked.

Just depends on your point of view.

Exactly :cheers2: with our need at QB you would think people would be on the Cam bandwagon and hoping he reaches his potential WITH US.

[Catalyst]

I have doubts about Cam too. I just think we have to take the risk. We're nowhere without a QB. What good will another defensive Pro Bowler do us if we've got nothing under center?

Cam's potential is off the charts. We've screwed around long enough at QB; it's time to bite the bullet and go for a big-time player with big-time potential. Even if he also represents a big-time risk.

[The Saltman]

When will all these threads DIE????

[teeray]

I love the logic both camps are using.

Pro Cam: Cam is the best player in the draft and nobody is going to want to trade up.

No Cam: Cam has concerns and if he's so good, why doesn't anybody want to trade up for him?

It's like watching dogs at the track chasing after the rabbit, only it never stops going in circles.

My point is that he is better than some of the "Haters" (I say that with affection :)) want to admit. They have said how bad he is and that he has all these negatives and there is no way he is worth the number 1 pick. They have said there are no franchise QBs in this draft. His combine proved he is a fraud. They said, "Cam Newton in another year's draft wouldn't even be a first round pick!!"

But now all of the sudden they think as many as 4 teams may want to trade up to get him?

I think teams will want to trade up for him. But to do this you have to admit he is worth the pick, which I do. You have to admit he can be a franchise QB. Which I do. You have to admit he is a great QB prospect. Which I do.

But if you admit he is worth the pick than you have to admit it would be just as logical for the Panthers to not trade and select him with the pick. That is the part they don't want to imagine.

We are just as desperate as any team at the QB position. It has been declared a priority by our front office.

So if it turns out the "Nut Huggers" are right and he is who we thought he was. Then the Panthers will pick him.

But if he isn't no team will invest future picks to trade up to get him.

They want both sides of the debate. "He is so good teams are going to be clamoring to trade up to pick him but he isn't good enough to pick up outright with our pick."

It makes little to no sense.

[Catalyst]

When will all these threads DIE????

When Cam Newton is drafted... or maybe about six months after? You know if/when we do draft him this place is going to explode.

[teeray]

When will all these threads DIE????

April 28th I hope.

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[Ricky Spanish]

Why not?

it's one of those gut feelings with no real reason behind it.

with all the comments he's made recently, i question his intelligence and decision making. sure, in the grand scheme of things claiming to be an entertainer and icon and wanting to be "consistency" aren't bad things, but come on now, common sense would tell you to shut your mouth before the draft and stop giving people reason to doubt you.

[MHS831]

It's easy to lose sight of the fact that we're even considering him (and we are, even the anti-Cam posters have to realize this by now) signals a major shift in the way this organization is approaching things.

I mean, to think that we are so seriously considering a player like Cam - that, even as a fan of his, I admit - represents such a huge risk, is such a departure from the last 9 years. Can you even imagine us considering Newton if Fox were still here? Fox's head would explode if we didn't take another DL for him to plug in. Cam represents the biggest potential risk this franchise has ever taken - he will be the biggest if we draft him.

I really think it's almost been lost in all the debate on Cam as a player, but the truth is we have never had a player like this on the Panthers. Not even close. Drafting him would change a LOT in terms of the way this franchise is perceived around the league and by the media - and I think by a lot of fans as well.

You are correct. I see it as a possiblity. I am not a hater of Cam Newton, I am one who sees the risk and chooses other options. I realize we could take him, and part of me is pumped about it, but then reality sinks in. And part of my mindset has to do with my assessment of the "Panther way." Shockey might be the first step in a new direction.

If you think, We need someone to start now, you could be right. However, we are 2-3 free agents away (QB, DT, maybe CB) from not needing a player right now.

Do I think Cam is worth the #1 pick? No. Would I entertain trade offers? Yes, with a discount. Could Cam be great? Absolutely. Would I support him? Absolutely. Could he suck? Yep. Would I support him? Yes, like I do Clausen. Great athletes are resilient. QBs need time.

My concern is the reason most of the huggers are for Cam is they see him as the best way to get rid of Clausen. If things were reversed and JC stayed in, and Cam were thrown into the mess we had here last season, the same people would be screaming for JC and wanting Newton gone.

Please, Buffalo, Cincy, and Arizona: Give us some offers. I would rather have Gabbert and picks.