Gil Brandt on Gabbert's pro day, not so sure Newton should go # 1 overall anymore...

[Montsta]

The more interest that is shown in any of the top guys is better for us, no?

[Stumpy]

I'm not debating that but I just think it is unfair to just call him a running QB. He did a lot more than that. He doesn't have to be one or the other. Thats all

A running QB = a player who runs and throws the ball. Obviously he does more than just run the ball or he would be a running back.

[teeray]

A running QB = a player who runs and throws the ball. Obviously he does more than just run the ball or he would be a running back.

Josh Nesbitt doesn't throw they ball. He is a running QB. Not Cam.

[Stumpy]

Josh Nesbitt doesn't throw they ball. He is a running QB. Not Cam.

Nesbit did throw the ball some. But I wouldn't even call him a running QB he is an option back.

[Pox 08]

At this point, I've faith in our front office, and our new coaching staff. I'll be excited with whichever player they decide to select.

Trying not to get emotionally invested in any of the players, in either a positive or negative way. I don't want to end up like some of the Clausen haters last year. A lot of those guys just couldn't let it go, that we drafted him. I've never seen so much complaining (right after the draft).

[teeray]

nesbit did throw the ball some. but i wouldn't even call him a running qb he is an option back.

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[Stumpy]

So would you consider Randel El a receiving QB then?

[Mr. Scot]

The more interest that is shown in any of the top guys is better for us, no?

Absolutely.

The general assumption is that a team trading up to number one will be targeting Newton. It could just as easily be Gabbert.

[Catalyst]

So Gabbert had a good pro day... still can't shake the game clips that I've seen of him.

[SuperMan]

So Gabbert had a good pro day... still can't shake the game clips that I've seen of him.

you wouldn't be able to seeing as your to still trying to swallow from blowing newton.

[panthers55]

So Gabbert had a good pro day... still can't shake the game clips that I've seen of him.

THe pro day counts for sure but as you say you have to look deeper to get an idea of who is the better quarterback, even beyond the mechanics and footwork. For me it comes down to who is better under pressure, who rises to the occasion when he has to make a throw or convert a first down. I want the guy who is best in third and 7 or more. Sure the new offense could be more dynamic and make it easier on third down but we will still run a lot on first and second down meaning we will have to be good converting third down.

With the caveat that college stats don't translate to the NFL but are useful for comparison purposes:

Gabbert- completed 69% for the season but only 45% when under pressure and 43% on third down. On third and more than 7 it was 38%. In conference games it was 61% for the year. When pressured he looked a lot like Jimmy Clausen or Matt Moore this year, very uncomfortable.

Newton on the other hand while completing 66% of his passes in total but was even better when rushed by 5 or more defenders completing 73% of his passes. In conference games he completed 68%. On third down he completed 58% of his passes and when 3rd and at least 7 yards it went up to 65%.

You have to make your own conclusions but for me the choice is clear.

[Jackofalltrades]

Me too, neither QB.

[teeray]

THe pro day counts for sure but as you say you have to look deeper to get an idea of who is the better quarterback, even beyond the mechanics and footwork. For me it comes down to who is better under pressure, who rises to the occasion when he has to make a throw or convert a first down. I want the guy who is best in third and 7 or more. Sure the new offense could be more dynamic and make it easier on third down but we will still run a lot on first and second down meaning we will have to be good converting third down.

With the caveat that college stats don't translate to the NFL but are useful for comparison purposes:

Gabbert- completed 69% for the season but only 45% when under pressure and 43% on third down. On third and more than 7 it was 38%. In conference games it was 61% for the year. When pressured he looked a lot like Jimmy Clausen or Matt Moore this year, very uncomfortable.

Newton on the other hand while completing 66% of his passes in total but was even better when rushed by 5 or more defenders completing 73% of his passes. In conference games he completed 68%. On third down he completed 58% of his passes and when 3rd and at least 7 yards it went up to 65%.

You have to make your own conclusions but for me the choice is clear.

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[jarhead]

THe pro day counts for sure but as you say you have to look deeper to get an idea of who is the better quarterback, even beyond the mechanics and footwork. For me it comes down to who is better under pressure, who rises to the occasion when he has to make a throw or convert a first down. I want the guy who is best in third and 7 or more. Sure the new offense could be more dynamic and make it easier on third down but we will still run a lot on first and second down meaning we will have to be good converting third down.

With the caveat that college stats don't translate to the NFL but are useful for comparison purposes:

Gabbert- completed 69% for the season but only 45% when under pressure and 43% on third down. On third and more than 7 it was 38%. In conference games it was 61% for the year. When pressured he looked a lot like Jimmy Clausen or Matt Moore this year, very uncomfortable.

Newton on the other hand while completing 66% of his passes in total but was even better when rushed by 5 or more defenders completing 73% of his passes. In conference games he completed 68%. On third down he completed 58% of his passes and when 3rd and at least 7 yards it went up to 65%.

You have to make your own conclusions but for me the choice is clear.

Well stated things are a tad easier when you dont have a 300lb DE breathing down you neck