Warren Moon sees racial bias regarding Cam Newton

[Panthro]

Can we ban Warren Moon?

[The Saltman]

I did already

[Pox 08]

I don't know if the guy was racist, but he is definitely an asshole. Using fake smile as a negative, when almost every athlete puts on the same fake smile when the cameras are rolling is pathetic.

[panthers55]

In all fairness Moon came into the league in an era where racism against black quarterbacks was rampant. He suffered his share and paved the way for present day quarterbacks. It is perfectly understandable that he might be more sensitive to racism and see it even where it may not be present.

[rico6]

I typically tend to stay away from the race aspects of Cam's criticisms (Since most of them are generated from a bias, or just have no point in discussing Cam's draft status) However, Warren Moon (who was one of the leagues greatest Quarterbacks, and just so happens to be Black) does make a valid point.

No Quarterback has undergone such petty criticisms like Cam Newton. For this reporter to go as far as to say that Cam's leadership was "fake" and "phony" is a blatant form of extreme bias, and prejudice that he has against Cam.

Plus I always lol at the statement(s) that always floats around when regarding Black, first round worthy QB's * Lacks leadership, mentally not equip to run the QB position, work ethic* Warren does have a point on that. It's a fu cking blatant prejudice on Black Quarterbacks.

Yes, Warren does have a little bias in his statements. However let's not act as if he's completely wrong here.

He has a point, and it's valid as all hell.

[countryboi]

warren moon is the first black qb elected to the hall of fame in freaking 06'. he may know what he is talking about

[monstercat]

Warren Moon had to go to Canada because no NFL team wanted to draft him as a QB, so I can definitely understand his point of view.

To me this is all a subtle thing though. People keep bringing up The Golden Calf of Bristol, but I don't remember so many people claiming that The Golden Calf of Bristol had to prove he is capable of learning an NFL playbook. People just assumed that he could do it if he could clean up his throwing mechanics. With Newton, everybody wants proof that he is capable of learning a playbook and that he is willing to work hard, even though there is already plenty of evidence that he has been and is working hard right now.

[mav1234]

I don't think that the people who really matter are demanding for Newton to do more or think he needs to prove more than his white counterparts. Perhaps I don't read enough of the internet sensationalism because I just don't see the level of bias you guys do. What I see reads very similar to things people have said about various quarterbacks who are white, just obviously different aspects of it.

[monstercat]

I don't think that the people who really matter are demanding for Newton to do more or think he needs to prove more than his white counterparts. Perhaps I don't read enough of the internet sensationalism because I just don't see the level of bias you guys do. What I see reads very similar to things people have said about various quarterbacks who are white, just obviously different aspects of it.

How many white QB's have had their leadership skills and work ethic questioned this much, after they have accomplished as much as Cam did in college? That's the problem.

The bottom line, is that there is not one single flaw in Cam's game that can't be fixed by good coaching and hard work, yet an awful lot of people are assuming that the coaching simply won't work with him. Why?

[panthers55]

I don't think that the people who really matter are demanding for Newton to do more or think he needs to prove more than his white counterparts. Perhaps I don't read enough of the internet sensationalism because I just don't see the level of bias you guys do. What I see reads very similar to things people have said about various quarterbacks who are white, just obviously different aspects of it.

First of all you are not going to see it since it isn't leveled at you. Secondly, you are not being brought up in a culture where racism is often trotted out as an excuse for why they are not successful.

Unless you walk a mile in his shoes, it is hard to have perspective.

[rico6]

Yes, why?

Cam couldn't possibly be that flawed, yet he's slated to be a top 5 pick. Why such a blind hate for the guy?

(I'm not targeting this at you mav, but for the general population.)

[ncmonzta]

I don't not like Newton because he is black lol, I don't like him because he seems like a shady dick, who has one year of starting experience and has some serious issues.

this some of the poo I'm talking about. He puts lol behind for it to be a joke, I got it. As soon as Sdot came on here with some incorrect grammar and wording. Verge's first response was "are you african american?" trying to get a chuckle out of his fellow inbreds.:rolleyes:Now I'm supposed to wait for his next post or neg rep message about how he's not racist and I need to take a joke right?:svengo:

[mav1234]

Yes, why?

Cam couldn't possibly be that flawed, yet he's slated to be a top 5 pick. Why such a blind hate for the guy?

(I'm not targeting this at you mav, but for the general population.)

I was unaware that leadership was a major criticism of his. I don't really understand this, but he's not the only prospect to have questions about that. if it is true that a major criticism of him is his leadership ability (seriously, Nawroski was the first I'd heard of it) then that's an odd thing to say. Clearly he can lead on the field and I'd imagine he can in the locker room, too. Clear leadership ability, though, is not a requirement to be taken high and nor is it a requirement to go #1 overall (see Stafford).

The work ethic question is one that all quarterbacks must answer but it does particularly seem to but one related to black QBs but not exclusively so edit: and in many cases, that could be racially motivated. Now, I think this offseason Cam has shown he's willing to work hard to improve his game. I think that put a lot of the legit questions about that away. Related to that is his coachability; the only person I have seen say he doesn't think he'll be able to transition well due to coaching stuff is Joyner. He's got some reasons behind it related to how his pump fakes changed throughout the season, but ultimately I think that's silly. Finally, Cam is working from further back than many of the other prospects when it comes to transitioning to an NFL passer, so he'll have to work harder. If he does, and if the situation works out right for him, he'll be a good quarterback... but he has a lot of ground to cover. He is still working on consistency... but the fact he's working on it is a big deal.

Ultimately, there are people who hate Cam Newton because he's black and black athletes do face stigmas they have to overcome.. but I don't think the majority of news stories about him that have a negative tint are racially bias. If you're talking about the crazy comments people leave on forums and news blogs? Yeah, sure. A lot of those jackoffs are racists.

But what about all the news posts about Ryan Mallett? What about people questioning if The Golden Calf of Bristol could run a pro offense? Some were even worried about The Golden Calf of Bristol's wonderlic because it was below the magic number. What about people saying Matthew Stafford couldn't lead for poo? People also questioned his work ethic. Hell, on this forum, people have questioned Gabberts work ethic and leadership ability. It's all fair game when you're a potential 1st round QB.

Frankly I have no idea what motivated Nawroski's article. Its the most vehement piece I've seen. Nothing else legitimately comes close to that from anything moderately respectable imo. It seems like there's more going on behind the scenes with Nawroski having something personal with Cam. Perhaps Cam snubbed him on an interview or something?

[ncmonzta]

I was unaware that leadership was a major criticism of his. I don't really understand this, but he's not the only prospect to have questions about that. if it is true that a major criticism of him is his leadership ability (seriously, Nawroski was the first I'd heard of it) then that's an odd thing to say. Clearly he can lead on the field and I'd imagine he can in the locker room, too. Clear leadership ability, though, is not a requirement to be taken high and nor is it a requirement to go #1 overall (see Stafford).

The work ethic question is one that all quarterbacks must answer. Now, I think this offseason Cam has shown he's willing to work hard to improve his game. I think that put a lot of the legit questions about that away. Related to that is his coachability; the only person I have seen say he doesn't think he'll be able to transition well due to coaching stuff is Joyner. He's got some reasons behind it related to how his pump fakes changed throughout the season, but ultimately I think that's silly. Finally, Cam is working from further back than many of the other prospects when it comes to transition, so he'll have to work harder. If he does, and if the situation works out right for him, he'll be a good quarterback... but he has a lot of ground to cover. He is still working on consistency... but the fact he's working on it is a big deal.

Ultimately, there are people who hate Cam Newton because he's black and black athletes do face stigmas they have to overcome.. but I don't think the majority of news stories about him that have a negative tint are racially bias. If you're talking about the crazy comments people leave on forums and news blogs? Yeah, sure. A lot of those jackoffs are racists.

But what about all the news posts about Ryan Mallett? What about people questioning if The Golden Calf of Bristol could run a pro offense? Some were even worried about The Golden Calf of Bristol's wonderlic because it was below the magic number. What about people saying Matthew Stafford couldn't lead for poo? People also questioned his work ethic. Hell, on this forum, people have questioned Gabberts work ethic and leadership ability. It's all fair game when you're a potential 1st round QB.

Frankly I have no idea what motivated Nawroski's article. Its the most vehement piece I've seen. Nothing else legitimately comes close to that from anything moderately respectable imo. It seems like there's more going on behind the scenes with Nawroski having something personal with Cam. Perhaps Cam snubbed him on an interview or something?

You kind of get it, but not fully. How is Cam's work ethic questioned on TV every other day but a that hasn't accomplished half of Cam's success with double the playing time has unquestionable work ethic and leadership? Now like I said before people are brought up differently. Just like Mr.Scot said he grew up with a racist father that's why it's so hard for him to wrap his head around undercover racism. He said back in his day was the real racism which is true, but he sounded like he felt like there is no real racism today. He can't see racism unless he see's someone burning a cross and I understand that from him. I have had redneck cops pull me over when I was 16 take me in their patrol car and drop me off in the middle of nowhere, have had a gun pulled on me twice in heavy traffic once for looking at someone for too long through mirror I guess and the other because he thought I wanted to get in front of him in slow trafiic. When the guy pulled the gun in slow traffic it was because there was a wreck about 100 yards away with state troopers handling it. I got to the state trooper and pointing to the guy that pulled the gun and the troopers words were " are you hurt, look I need to handle this wreck" which was a fender bender with no injuries. Glad there's no real racism nowadays;) It exist whether you see it or not