Trade Peppers for Matt Cassell?

[rblee83]

How's it going, guys? I'm a Pats fan in Boston, and there has been a lot of talk recently about the possibility of trading Cassel straight-up for Peppers. The general consensus is 99.9% Cassel will be traded this offseason, and there is no way the Pats will keep both him and Brady on the roster.

Having watched every snap Cassel played this year, he is the real deal. People who call him a "system QB" really weren't watching the games...

What do you guys think of the trade possibility? Here is a link to the thread on the Pats message board: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/216685-peppers-trade-rumor-radio.html

[Murph]

Discussed in length in about 33 different threads here over the past month. Very few of us think Cassel is worth even half of what Peppers is.

[methodtoll]

No. Period.

[joemac]

Who knows at this point....I wouldnt be totally against that move, but that would spell the end of Jake.

[Chubbs McGee]

No. If we were interested in Cassell, there is just no way the Panthers give up Peppers straight up for a QB who has had one good year. Maybe Cassell and some first day draft picks.

[VA Panther Fan]

No.

HOWEVER...if the Pats were to trade Cassel to the Lions for a first-round pick and then include that in a package for Peppers (say, the first from Detroit (from the Cowboys) and a second round pick or so), I think the Panthers would be willing to deal.

[Zaximus]

Honestly, yes, I would. I don't quite understand you guys.

Look, I understand your "system QB" and your "he had one good year" arguments, I truly do. But would you really, really, rather have a 1st round pick that may or may not pan out to be anything (David Carr? Anyone?) or a QB that you at least seen have a great year, is young, and looks to have a promising future? Did anyone say Steve Young was a system QB when he took over when Montana left, just cause they had 2 good QB's? I mean, he may have been, but maybe it's because he had good coaching and a good vet to watch play.

To me, the chance is worth it. If you get a first from someone, you may get a good player, you may not, but if you take Cassel, and he pans out, you have a QB for 10 years and a good QB in the NFL is priceless. Sometimes you have to take chances.

[Panthro]

No.

HOWEVER...if the Pats were to trade Cassel to the Lions for a first-round pick and then include that in a package for Peppers (say, the first from Detroit (from the Cowboys) and a second round pick or so), I think the Panthers would be willing to deal.

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[Murph]

Honestly, yes, I would. I don't quite understand you guys.

Look, I understand your "system QB" and your "he had one good year" arguments, I truly do. But would you really, really, rather have a 1st round pick that may or may not pan out to be anything (David Carr? Anyone?) or a QB that you at least seen have a great year, is young, and looks to have a promising future? Did anyone say Steve Young was a system QB when he took over when Montana left, just cause they had 2 good QB's? I mean, he may have been, but maybe it's because he had good coaching and a good vet to watch play.

To me, the chance is worth it. If you get a first from someone, you may get a good player, you may not, but if you take Cassel, and he pans out, you have a QB for 10 years and a good QB in the NFL is priceless. Sometimes you have to take chances.

Fox/Hurney have a perfect track record of developing their 1st round picks into, at a bare minimum, solid long term starters.

I'll take my chances with that verses a one hit wonder free agent.

[Chan Fan]

Isn't one of the knocks on Cassel that he has a weak arm? We're a team like likes to throw the ball downfield, not a dink and dunk offense. I don't think he would be a good fit here even if he still is a good player.

[Mr. Scot]

Michael Strahan for Scott Mitchell

(in other words, no) :nonod:

[rblee83]

Cassel's arm is very strong. Some people were saying he dinked and dunked too much, but that was part of the gameplan. Many teams put a lot of people on the line of scrimmage and blitzed him, so the Pats countered with quick throws in the 5-15 yard range. By the end of the season, teams were backing off more because Cassel got the ball out too quickly making quick reads.

[Zod]

That trade is laughable.

[CRA]

Cassell can't play in a John Fox offense. We don't throw to RBs and TE's much. Fox's offense is based off of running the ball and going downfield off the play action. Cassell struggled going downfield despite having the best deep guy in the league (Moss). He also imo has a lot of Carr's habits. When asked to look downfield he normally gives up and goes mobile if option 1 is immediately open.