Ron Meeks vs Sean Mcdermott

[ed bell]

I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be advantageous to have Rivera/McDermott/Meeks collaborating here...depleted defense, short off-season notwithstanding. No complaints.

[Dpantherman]

Now obviously both of them have different personnel, but here is a look at the stats for both of them.

oh really???

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

I like both, but you have to remember that Meeks' defense was on the field seemingly 200% more than McD's is this season.

[Carolina Fan]

Im not complaining about McDermotts D, i actually like it pretty well... I just hate giving up so many 3rd and longs, happened quite a bit last year aswell though.

[rayzor]

meeks in his 2nd season in his system with two full offseasons and the benefit of jon beason in the lineup vs. mcD minus beason and minus a full offseason 8 weeks into the season.

yeah...seems fair.

[Brandon]

I don't think you can honestly evaluate a defense that has only had 7 weeks of offseason and is missing its two best players. McDermott/Rivera's system is much more complicated than the one Meeks ran, so it's going to take at least another year before we can really look at it in earnest.

[frash.exe]

I know a lot of people hate coming to grips with this because they think we're one starter away from being 7-1 and contending for the superbowl this year but the defense would have to overcome injuries to two of its best players and its 1 tech, no OTAs, no minicamp, a very limited time frame overall to institute the defensive scheme, and no major signings from other teams.

You could bring up why is the offense doing well, ....well it's because Shockey, Olsen, and Naanee (lol) have experience in AC and know the system. Williams and Smith also worked with Henning before, so they understand AC as well, although Smith probably knows it better. Other starters on the offense that have been here with Henning include Jordan Gross, Travelle Wharton, and Geoff Hangartner. Couple that with the enormous workload Cam Newton took on learning the offense and refining his footwork and fundamentals.

On the defense, the average age is much younger and the only person in there that has worked with McDermott previously is Omar Gaither. Applewhite makes plays in our 3-4 package why? I don't know maybe it's because he knows that fuging system. As far as individual performance is concerned, Anderson is coming along and getting better playing in this defense every week. So are the safeties. Hardy looks like he's as good as he's gonna be this year, and Johnson is a monster regardless. The liabilities are Dan Connor and our rookie DTs, which coincidentally make up the center of the defense. Dan is good but he's way too fuging slow compared to Beason and our rookies, well I wouldn't count on both of them making strides in improvement from this year to next. I'm leaning more toward McClain developing into a starter than Fua. The defensive line needs to be addressed early in the next draft, where we'll also have to find Davis' replacement. People think we should draft a corner but with more consistent pressure QBs will make mistakes and the secondary we have now is good enough to capitalize on them.

[Carolina Fan]

Im hoping with beason back next year things will change, iv noticed Connor sprinting into holes hoping to geuss right or standing on his feet and is too slow to make up the ground, but when he does geuss right he stops them.

and williams gives up to many stupid penalties, with davis history im hoping we find a good replacement next year

I just feel with this system it req good CBs, i love our CBs and Safteys for coverage but for playmaking ability i just don't see it

[rayzor]

also, when meeks came in we changed from a cover2 to a tampa2...kind of. overall not a huge difference, esp. with john fox sticking his fingers in the defense the way he did.

moving from a tampa 2 to a jim johnson 4-3 is a much bigger shift.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

McD was horrible with philly last year as well I'm more than happy to give him a 2nd year in this system before I call him out, but still it makes you wonder if it really is the DC as to why we are so bad on defense

[pantherj]

I would like to see the stats Meek's defense would have had with this offense.

[panthers55]

McD was horrible with philly last year as well I'm more than happy to give him a 2nd year in this system before I call him out, but still it makes you wonder if it really is the DC as to why we are so bad on defense

GO back and look at the linebacker corps for Philly when McDermott was there in 2009-2010. He seems snakebitten on linebacker injuries. He comes here hoping to have a great linebacking group in place and suddenly he loses 2 of his starting 3. McDermott's system is predicated on great linebacker talent. Without it he has to dial back the pressure and this is what you get. If Davis and Beason were in there as expected, this defense is significantly better. Where we are getting killed is poor linebacker play in the short drops and bad run fits particularly on the edges. Remember that with Meeks, Rivera, and McDermott, there is no shortage of defensive coaching ability.

[panthers55]

I would like to see the stats Meek's defense would have had with this offense.

Keep in mind it cuts both ways. Because we are usually ahead or tied in the second half going into the fourth quarter, other teams are pressing on offense and scoring points and yards. Last year we were so far out of it by the fourth quarter, other offenses were running the clock and had let up on the gas. Last's year's defense would have looked even worse if other teams were trying to score like they are this year.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

players were excited and enjoyed playing in meeks's system. they talked about it all the time. you got the feeling that under meeks they were comfortable and their assigned responsibilities were tailor made just for them. they were playing with the system like it was their new favorite toy. this was the general consensus from day one.

how much influence fox had is irrelevant. the players were happy.

no one is saying poo about mcdermott's style of defense...and that worries me.