Brockers=overrated?

[nagai]

This guy isn't being fair imo. To say that Brockers' frame is his only advantage is silly. What about the double teams that he commanded? What about the effort he brings into every play? WHat about the fact that he at least plays fast and plays strong, even if you think he was just overachieving? I agree with razor, it's fine not to like a guy, but this dude seems to have an agenda. His piece on Poe is much better.

[pantherclaw]

I'm not all that impressed with brockers myself.

Would take Poe or Cox over Brockers.

The more i think about the guys that should be available, the more i think the panthers go offensive with the 9th overall pick.

We'll see.

[panthers55]

Is Brockers overated?? Depends on whether you look at what he is or what he can become. Same with Poe. A guy that strong and athletic who is a workout wonder but underproduces has to be about technique and coaching not ability. If he can become the next Kris Jenkins then he is well worth a 9 pick. I miht be crazy but Kris was one of my favorite Panthers although he hd a crappy atitude. But I never thought we would find a guy to replace him and the more I think about Poe, the more I think he is very similar only more explosive and stronger.

[Marguide]

Is Brockers overated?? Depends on whether you look at what he is or what he can become. Same with Poe. A guy that strong and athletic who is a workout wonder but underproduces has to be about technique and coaching not ability. If he can become the next Kris Jenkins then he is well worth a 9 pick. I miht be crazy but Kris was one of my favorite Panthers although he hd a crappy atitude. But I never thought we would find a guy to replace him and the more I think about Poe, the more I think he is very similar only more explosive and stronger.

If we really thought Poe was close to Jenks, we would be crazy not to take him. That is exactly what our D needs.

I'm not convinced he is as good as Kris but I trust our coaches and scouts will evaluate him thoroughly.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

I'm not so sure that Brockers is over rated. I just think he is coming out a year early. If he was coming out next year I think he would be one of the top players and a big time defensive tackle that every team would be drooling over to get. But I think he will be good in the NFL. Just think he is coming out a year early.

[carpanfan96]

He saw exactly what most scouts saw and that's why it took so damn long for Brockers to move up the draft board to begin with.

His game film isn't impressive at all, for example in the Georgia game. He was handled one on one for most of the game easily, he was occasionally double teamed. Most of the time he was pushed out of the play and disengaged, then reengaged by a different blocker. He plays high, doesn't have any explosiveness (yes, it clearly shows in game film that he isn't explosive at the snap.) and his only redeeming features are his size and run defense.

I've been confused this whole time about the Brockers love fest, I haven't seen a single game that I'm overly impressed with.

At the same time with Poe, while his Combine was overly impressive and definitely moved him into the top 15-20 in the draft. His game film is less inspiring then Brockers poor game film. I wouldn't touch either with a top 10 draft pick and the earliest I'd draft either of them is probably around 20th overall.

Cox = best DT in a very weak top end talent DT class. (It's got lots of good 2nd-3rd tier guys in it at DT)

There's one and only one DL prospect that's got a top 10 grade at this point and everyone here hates him because he's from UNC, played out of position and had an uninspiring year while going through a whirlwind of an experience that most players wouldn't have been able to handle. Forget the fact that he showed good the prior two years and posted the same split time as a few RB's and Pass rushing twitch players.

[MadHatter]

everybody is overrated

I agree with the author's point.

Either could be taken at 9 because 1) our huge need and (2) they are the best DT's in the draft.

however, both have major quetion marks that make a selection as the 9th overall pick somewhat of a reach.

[pantherj]

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39994/60/draft-2012-combine-wrapup?pg=3

Thanks for teh Kurb Re-tweeting it. ;) His views on Poe and Brockers has me thinking trading down is our best choice.

How cute that he's changed his mind about Brockers, a player he had going 9th in his mock draft 2 weeks ago. Guess he puts a lot of stock in the combine.

[pantherj]

I'm getting to the point where I just want to get his damn draft over with already. I've got a bad feeling that we're not going to get good value for our 9th pick, and we won't be able to trade down.

[CarolinaNCSU]

When the Panthers go something other than DL, this place is going to have a meltdown.

[CRA]

When the Panthers go something other than DL, this place is going to have a meltdown.

that is why I am going to start a Luke Kueckly bandwagon thread. You need to draft what is as close to a sure thing as you can get w/ a #9 pick.

[panthers55]

If we really thought Poe was close to Jenks, we would be crazy not to take him. That is exactly what our D needs.

I'm not convinced he is as good as Kris but I trust our coaches and scouts will evaluate him thoroughly.

Part of the issue is the team he played on and the other part is that he didn't have his senior seasson where many players come into their own. I do hope we give him a close look and as you say decide if the measurables are worth taking a chance on. He would be somewhat of a high risk potentially high reward player but it has surely worked out well for us last year. On the other hand I can't be unhappy is we get someone else like Cox or Coples or wait until the second round to get a guy who can still com in and contribute like Still.

Remember that Jenkins was a second rounder and didn't develop into a real pass rusher until his senior year.

[pantherj]

Fletcher Cox

Devon Still

Dontari Poe

Michael Brockers

Quintin Coples

I have to imagine that Hurney and company want at least one of these guys at 9.

[rippadonn]

I'm not so sure that Brockers is over rated. I just think he is coming out a year early. If he was coming out next year I think he would be one of the top players and a big time defensive tackle that every team would be drooling over to get. But I think he will be good in the NFL. Just think he is coming out a year early.

:iagree:

When my team looks at a player I hope they would value performance on the field as it's measure of value.

What they all like about Brockers is that he's just only scratched his potential and has produced as a part time player.

Bottom line is the kid could start for us today and with NFL coaching and NFL training could be a JP type of player in the middle, pro bowler. I didn't make this stuff up.

He played part time and racked up more than Poe did. Was Poe a starter? I don't know, but what did he do on the field? Tired of work out wonders, I want a player!