Rivera Presser @ 12

[Mother Grabber]

When RR came in, he talked about being physical and imposing will on other teams, yet we haven't seen any of that happen on the field. It's looking like though he knows what needs to be done, he can't get it come out of the players. Like most on here, I'm losing faith in this staff. We need to get someone in the FO who can evaluate coaches or we're going to be the Browns of the South.

[davos]

When RR came in, he talked about being physical and imposing will on other teams, yet we haven't seen any of that happen on the field. It's looking like though he knows what needs to be done, he can't get it come out of the players. Like most on here, I'm losing faith in this staff. We need to get someone in the FO who can evaluate coaches or we're going to be the Browns of the South.

This is important

We have heard from day 1 from the coaches and players how they want to be, how they want to act, how they want to execute...yet they simply can't.

So much talk. The players and coaches all know how to talk and sound like they are doing the part when it simply doesn't translate. Just because they can say what we want to hear (and that includes the players) doesn't mean sh*t when they simply cannot do it on the field, and its even been that way during a few of the 7 wins we've mustered since Rivera became coach.

7-12

[Brooklyn Bully]

When RR came in, he talked about being physical and imposing will on other teams, yet we haven't seen any of that happen on the field. It's looking like though he knows what needs to be done, he can't get it come out of the players. Like most on here, I'm losing faith in this staff. We need to get someone in the FO who can evaluate coaches or we're going to be the Browns of the South.

It's hard to get excellence out of average. Our D-Line for example.

[Squirrel]

It's hard to get excellence out of average. Our D-Line for example.

Bingo! Along with our secondary.

[pstall]

I'm telling you guys. Rivera is El Fox

[Montsta]

I don't give a fug what he has to say. As fans we have shown our loyalty and support to them and then they come out with that pathetic embarassing game last night. Talk is cheap.

When it was 50/50 giants/panthers fans in the stadium, was that the loyalty part or the support part?

[panther4life]

When it was 50/50 giants/panthers fans in the stadium, was that the loyalty part or the support part?

It was only 50/50 in the 4th quarter and for the first time ever I didn't care that fans left early, nor was I upset about the "let's go Giants chant" because they need that wake up call.

[Montsta]

Exactly, its not that complicated to not act the way he does. He knows it, his coaches know it, his team mates know it. He's admitted it and still sulks.....and on the biggest professional stage he has ever been on. At least pretend you aren't doing it.....or try to

I always tell my wife I won't fight when I'm out drinking. I go out with no intention to, and I say to myself, this time I'm not gonna do it. Sure enough, damn near every time some altercation will occur. Point being, I don't think Cam goes out intent on moping on the sidelines. He plays poorly, he mopes. Simple as that. Now, typically it only takes a TD drive for it to go away, but last night that just didn't quite materialize. I don't blame him for being who he is. He really, really wants to win games. He is young, and hopefully it comes around. Smitty has beaten up two teammates, and every year we hear how he is more calm. Every single week I see him fighting a DB after the play. Now hopefully Cam will follow in Smitty's footsteps and mature while still retaining his passion for the game.

[Silent Majority]

Bingo! Along with our secondary.

When you don't do poo about that D line and tell everyone listening, that they are who you want, you get no leeway. He and Hurney are joined at the hip, when it comes to off season acquisitions.

[Tarheels23]

I'm with Smitty though, I hate pointing to one play, as to why/how things went wrong.

[Tarheels23]

It does sound like JR shared his displeasure with losing on a national stage.

[smiley4284]

Pilares took one kick back last year, besides that he didn't really show any "homerun" ability in any of his kick returns.

He did more then that. And he was top 3 in yards per return for most the year

[Stumpy]

Pilares took one kick back last year, besides that he didn't really show any "homerun" ability in any of his kick returns.

To my count, that's one more than Adams. On punts, he has looked promising. But, on KO's he has been garbage. Can't field the kick, and when he does, we get stuck with a short field. Take him off punts too.

Until he shows some ball security, I don't want him anywhere near a potential game changing play. Goodson could make some electric plays on returns. There is a reason we took him off of them. The Risk vs Reward was not worth it. It's too early to tell if that's the case with Adams, but I don't want him anywhere near big plays.

Also...

I Seem to remember hearing that Rivera did not run any live ST's during camp, and I certainly did not see any when I was down there...

...Hmmm

#WhistleWhistleTootToot

[rodeo]

To my count, that's one more than Adams.

Pilares had 7 games worth of attempts first, comparing their number of TDs 3 games into the season is blatantly stupid.

Pilares averaged 19 yards per return in his first 3 games.

Adams averages 23 yards per return in his first 3 games.

Adams is brand new to kick returns, he didn't even do it in pre-season for whatever reason. Give him some time to develop into it. If he can get the fumbles under control, which he should be allowed to do, then he'll be a good contributor.

Devin Hester has 28 career fumbles.