WR's drafted by the Panthers since 2002 - the case to draft a WR in round 1?

[Montsta]

Does he remind you of another Wr? Just asking.

I don't want to compare him to another WR because if I do it automatically means I think he'll end up like said WR, good or bad, and I don't want that. Like I said before, I know another player that was a beast at a D1 school and then dropped down to a D2 school because of off field issues (real or perceived) and we ended up picking him one overall and he's changed the franchise. I was opposed to it at the time, and have gladly eaten crow a million times. I didn't want him but got behind him the second Goodell called his name. Ill do the same for Patterson if we take him. I'm jaded against WR's drafted here. Jarrett broke my heart. I thought he would be a number one easy.

I don't pretend to be a college ball expert, but it seems we could go Oline or DT in the first and get D'er'ric'k Rodgers in the second and have a similar player to Patterson. Don't listen to me though, I draft by what guys I think will look cool on Madden.

[rayzor]

You might want to check your list Holmes, Jennings didn't blow up until their 3rd year and Plax best year in his Career was his 3rd year. Plus I didn't know we were adding TE.

holmes had 942 and 8 TDs his second year.

jennings had 920 yards and 12 TDs his second year.

burress had 1008 yards and 6 TDs his 2nd year.

i'm not talking about their best year, but i am talking about the imact they had. i don't know what kind of crazy standards you're using, but i'd consider that an impact.

and i'd hardly consider gronk and graham TEs. sure, that's their position but their primary function in the offense is as a receiver.

btw.....i have never said patterson is a "can't miss" prospect. i have said repeatedly he's a "swing for the fences" prospect. i don't consider really any but a very small handful of any draft to be "can't miss" prospects.

[unicar15]

Kenan Allen...do it.

[Salvo]

Don't care for a WR at 14. OL/DL talent falls off quicker than WR in this draft.

I have nothing against picking a WR from 2nd and beyond, though. Of course...that goes against the epitome of this thread. But still...we have a different draft philosopher in the drivers seat this year. Lets see what he can do deep in the draft while solidifying our holes with top of the line talent.

[koolkatluke]

holmes had 942 and 8 TDs his second year.

jennings had 920 yards and 12 TDs his second year.

burress had 1008 yards and 6 TDs his 2nd year.

i'm not talking about their best year, but i am talking about the imact they had. i don't know what kind of crazy standards you're using, but i'd consider that an impact.

and i'd hardly consider gronk and graham TEs. sure, that's their position but their primary function in the offense is as a receiver.

btw.....i have never said patterson is a "can't miss" prospect. i have said repeatedly he's a "swing for the fences" prospect. i don't consider really any but a very small handful of any draft to be "can't miss" prospects.

Jennings became the number 1 wr his 3rd year. When he got the most targets on his team 139 caught 80 balls for 1,200 yards and 9 TD. He reach his full potential his 3rd year. His 2nd year he had 30 less rec. and 50 less targets. He wasn't facing the other teams best CB nor was his TEam main target. Driver was but that change his third season. I'll break down the rest of your crap later.

[TheRumGone]

Jennings became the number 1 wr his 3rd year. When he got the most targets on his team 139 caught 80 balls for 1,200 yards and 9 TD. He reach his full potential his 3rd year. His 2nd year he had 30 less rec. and 50 less targets. He wasn't facing the other teams best CB nor was his TEam main target. Driver was but that change his third season. I'll break down the rest of your crap later.

You are splitting hairs so bad i am about to go bald.

[rayzor]

Jennings became the number 1 wr his 3rd year. When he got the most targets on his team 139 caught 80 balls for 1,200 yards and 9 TD. He reach his full potential his 3rd year. His 2nd year he had 30 less rec. and 50 less targets. He wasn't facing the other teams best CB nor was his TEam main target. Driver was but that change his third season. I'll break down the rest of your crap later.

lol crap.

i'm not talking about full potential. i'm talking about ability to make an impact. what player from any position reaches their full potential in the first couple years of playing? i doubt that aj green and julio jones reached their full potential yet. did randy moss reach his his rookie year?

you don't have to wait years to tell if you'll be anything more than an average WR, which is all we have aside from smitty...and that's being generous.

for many you can tell quickly what they are likely to become.

now i'm sure you're going to find one little stat that you'll spin "masterfully" to back up your "fact" that it takes 3 years or whatever but the honest and real truth is many times it doesn't take long for players to make an impact. some it does...yes. some players take a few years for them to "get it" but that doesn't mean that they don't/can't/won't produce quite a bit because quite often they do.

[panther4life]

Jennings became the number 1 wr his 3rd year. When he got the most targets on his team 139 caught 80 balls for 1,200 yards and 9 TD. He reach his full potential his 3rd year. His 2nd year he had 30 less rec. and 50 less targets. He wasn't facing the other teams best CB nor was his TEam main target. Driver was but that change his third season. I'll break down the rest of your crap later.

Jennings had 12 TD's his 2nd year.Lafell has had 7 total over 3 years and he had has the 2nd most targets to Smith since his rookie year.

So I am not sure if you are trying to argue he's gonna breakout and eliminate the need for a receiver or if you just think a different non 1st round receiver should be drafted and groomed for 3 years or what.

[panther4life]

Just like to add this info as well. Teams picking inside the top 13 generally have plenty of needs and can go a number of different routes. I put together this info in another totally unrelated thread to get an idea of who might be available when we pick.

Number of players taken inside the top 13 of NFL draft since 01 by position.

QB's 24 or 2 per draft

DT'S 23 OR 1.91 per draft

WR 21 or 1.175 per draft

OT 20 or 1.66 per draft

DE 17 or 1.41 per draft

LB 15 or 1.25 per draft

CB 13 OR 1.08 per draft

RB 13 or 1.08 per draft

S 7 OR .583 per draft

TE 2 or .166 per draft

G 1 or 0.08 per draft

So if WR is such a risky pick in general terms of selecting early then why is 3rd on the list when its obvious teams picking inside the top 13 need immediate help?

[rayzor]

Just like to add this info as well. Teams picking inside the top 13 generally have plenty of needs and can go a number of different routes. I put together this info in another totally unrelated thread to get an idea of who might be available when we pick.

Number of players taken inside the top 13 of NFL draft since 01 by position.

QB's 24 or 2 per draft

DT'S 23 OR 1.91 per draft

WR 21 or 1.175 per draft

OT 20 or 1.66 per draft

DE 17 or 1.41 per draft

LB 15 or 1.25 per draft

CB 13 OR 1.08 per draft

RB 13 or 1.08 per draft

S 7 OR .583 per draft

TE 2 or .166 per draft

G 1 or 0.08 per draft

So if WR is such a risky pick in general terms of selecting early then why is 3rd on the list when its obvious teams picking inside the top 13 need immediate help?

pretty interesting.

I'd love to see the success/failure rates beside each.

[Lumps]

This is nothing more than a case to fire Hurney. Which I have been saying for years. Which we finally did. Hurney SUCKED at WRs.

You guys have been tainted by having a GM who can't do poo...we don't need a first to get a good reciever. Look at these picks, two seconds and two thirds and two fourths both in the top 15? Also keep in mind one second was a top 15 second rounder and the 3rds were high as well. Any competent GM could get a #2 reciever with all these picks. We got maybe LaFell is what... a solid #3? Gettis we wil just mark a ?.

I'd almost bet one of the first 3 receivers Gettlemen picks below round 1 will be at least a solid #2. The accumulating failures of WRs chosen by Hurney is a better argument for chosing a WR with the most talent (in the first) and now WR is a desperate need, than because the previous WRs under round 1 have failed. I'd much rather see oline in the first. Cam thrives when given time to scramble around to make a play.

[koolkatluke]

lol crap.

i'm not talking about full potential. i'm talking about ability to make an impact. what player from any position reaches their full potential in the first couple years of playing? i doubt that aj green and julio jones reached their full potential yet. did randy moss reach his his rookie year?

you don't have to wait years to tell if you'll be anything more than an average WR, which is all we have aside from smitty...and that's being generous.

for many you can tell quickly what they are likely to become.

now i'm sure you're going to find one little stat that you'll spin "masterfully" to back up your "fact" that it takes 3 years or whatever but the honest and real truth is many times it doesn't take long for players to make an impact. some it does...yes. some players take a few years for them to "get it" but that doesn't mean that they don't/can't/won't produce quite a bit because quite often they do.

Then you're changing the argument. Smitty made a "impact" his 1st year. I thought we were talking about reaching what you drafted him for. Jennings was drafted to be a number 1 wr he didn't get there until his third year. I'm pretty sure Moss was the number 1 wr his 1st year in Minny. If we're going go by just making a impact then of course WR can do that in their 2nd year. Has Lafell not made a impact then?

[koolkatluke]

Jennings had 12 TD's his 2nd year.Lafell has had 7 total over 3 years and he had has the 2nd most targets to Smith since his rookie year.

So I am not sure if you are trying to argue he's gonna breakout and eliminate the need for a receiver or if you just think a different non 1st round receiver should be drafted and groomed for 3 years or what.

You might want to take into account they we don't run the same offense as Greenbay. Since you do a lot of research. Look up the numbers to all the Number 2 WR in a read option or pistol offense and tell me who is putting up West Coast WR numbers?

Then add in the fact that Lafell wasn't the 2nd WR most of last year Legadon't was.

[koolkatluke]

Again I only made the argument about WR not reaching full potential to their 3rd year to explain why we can't make a judgement on some of the WR's on the roster. Not to take away some peoples dream of drafting a WR.