My source has told me...

[La Pantera]

So untwist your thong Jr.

No problem son. Lemme un- gag mommy first

[carpanfan96]

That is false. Vaccaro is proven to be far more aggressive. His crappy tackling form is indicative of that. Kenny launches his shoulder into RBs, WRs and TEs to get the highlight reel hit almost everytime compared to Cyprien and Elam who wrap up their targets properly and rarely get washed out of the play.

That's funny because Cyprien made a name for himself coming into the this draft because of highlight hits and aggressive play. Look it up, it's one of Cyprien's notable skill sets. Hard hitter that's overly aggressive that looks for highlight hits, he's just does a better job at it and does it more often then Vaccaro.

Vaccaro's tackling is more of a technique issue then going for the hard highlight hit.

[carpanfan96]

Cyprien and Elam are prospects who earned attention for being vicious hitters but here's the difference -- they rarely miss tackles. Vaccaro is complete and utter **** in the open field. You can't possibly defend that (there's hours of tape on YouTube that clearly shows that).

Cyprien and Elam don't run past their targets on running plays as much as Vaccaro does. They're aggressive, but not rabid. Kenny will miss the QB, RB, FB and WR by an average of 5 ft when he's in pursuit.

One more thing, Elam and Cyprien don't emotionally compromise themselves, Vaccaro does when he gets beat. Kenny is soft.

I agree that Vaccaro has major tackling issues. I even said as much. It's more technique though then his aggressiveness, his tackling technique is horrible. It's pretty ugly.... He'll need to be coached up on that aspect majorly in camps.

Vaccaro will also dart too quickly into the backfield occasionally when trying to make plays behind the LOS, which causes him to get out of control when trying to jump run plays in the backfield or near the LOS.

[carpanfan96]

DP

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Man I just keep watching as many things on Vaccaro as possible and rarely do I come away impressed. You can tell the kid is a good athlete but he bites so damn hard on any type of play action, play fake, misdirection, or pump fake. Many times when he did diagnose a play correctly he just got too far upfield and completely took himself out of the play or just got swallowed up by blockers getting upfield. He launches quite a bit too and will get his fair share of personal fouls if he doesn't learn how to tackle properly. It might be painful waiting for him to learn to tackle with the likes of Stephen Jackson, Doug Martin, and the Saints core in our division and lets not even mention Frank Gore, Marshawn Lynch, and CJ Spiller this year.

I'm still sticking with Cyprien. He may not be as good in coverage but they had Vaccaro playing in the slot as a nickel and we have Moore and Munnerlyn for that. I'm taking the better tackler with better IQ and leadership ability every time here. It isn't like Cyprien is a bad athlete he's average in that department recovering from a strained hammy.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Can someone please tell me Vaccaro's ethnic background?

[Vagrant]

Do keep in mind that Gettleman has said he wants starters with his first couple of picks. That is a hefty assignment for some positions. Just something to keep in mind as we discuss this.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Mexican/Italian.

Okay, I thought I saw the Hispanic, but I was confused as to whether he was black/white mix or some sort of Hispanic mix. Thanks though.

[Ivan The Awesome]

To be fair though, Vaccaro is generally opposed by (what feels like) 80% of Panther fans. I don't think it's much of a divide.

You sir, should Make a poll about it, don't just throw numbers around like its a fact.

[nickzz]

That sounds like a person opinion more than fact, not to mention Smith has bigger hand size for someone that small AND Austin doesnt not have Smiths leaping ability, you know, the reason that he can go up a catch balls over receivers taller than him. If Austin was more than a slot receiver he surely would have been playing on the outside like Smitty. Players that can run through defenders are more valued than players that can run around them so if Austin is never gonna be able to do that than i hope we dont break the bank for him when his contract is up down the road, thats just the way it is. And when he can stiff arm a defender bigger than him down to the ground then come talk to me about comparisons. Or did you forget Smitty could do that too? and he wasnt in "12 years" of nfl training when that happened either.

lol what are you rambling about? i never said austin is better than smith and definitely didn't say he was even the same type of player.

as for the bolded, if you look up their speed/agility drills i'm willing to bet austin's scores are better.

[KendrickPanther]

I took a class in college that talked about learning and retaining information. Seeing it or reading it is extremely low on the chart for information retention. Hearing it is a little higher, doing it is very high, and teaching it is the strongest way to retain information. The wonderlic test is on paper. These guys learn out on a football field.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Which is why I gave a perceptive view and estimation, not a definitive number. If you doubt the opposition against Vaccaro, just review this thread and go to an inferior site. He's one of the least favorite prospects that is being mocked to us.

More than likely, the right question is not being asked.

[KendrickPanther]

The guys that scout these players know a ton about football. They aren't just looking at stats or how often a guy gets beat. They look at physical tools. Speed, agility, ability to turn the hips, hands, and a myriad of other skills you can't evaluate simply by whether or not a guy allowed a completion.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I wasn't comparing them directly, only saying that we are one of the few teams that have extensive experience utilizing smaller players as featured receivers. I doubt seriously we could ever use Austin as a pure #1 receiver in the way we use Smith, no one quite has Smith's ability to outfight defensive backs for balls. But, the NFL is moving away from #1 and #2 receiver distinctions anyways, these days it's better to have 3 #2's than a traditional #1, #2, #3. The Packers epitomize this with Nelson, Jones and Cobb.

agreed i think the bottom line should be there isn't really a safe pick at 14, the closest would a Offensive Lineman if there was one but whether its tavon,allen, warmack or anyone else once there announced as a Panther im on the bandwagon