The more Rivera talks, the more I worry

[teeray]

Well THAT is what you build a great defense for... to stop the opposing offense on their extra plays.

I'll repeat it again: You build a great defense so that you can be AGGRESSIVE on offense, not SCARED.

"I afraid I'll make a mistake" has NEVER been the philosophy of winners.

I don't think it is a matter of being scared. You want a great defense no matter the pace you play at. If anything you are more likely to play great on defense if you are fresh because you offense has a sustained drive.

I am not really arguing pace, I have said I wish our pace was faster since the middle of last season, I am saying the benefits are negligible.

[rayzor]

If we go faster and have more plays, then conversely the other team will have more plays as well. Even if we had two more possessions or like Buffalo who had the exact same points per possession we did, then Seattle likely scores more too.

I'm not directing this next part directly at you Ray or, but some of you forget that their are two teams on the field. We as fans look at things through a vacuum of just the Panthers.

If we play faster and have more possessions and score 14 points but Seattle scores 16 points we still lose.

It cuts both ways. Picking up the pace wouldn't mean that Seattle's stats would have just stayed stagnant. They likely would have scored more points too.

And this is coming from a guy that wanted Chip Kelly here.

but you have to give your team a chance to score more when you need it and you can't do that if you are limiting the number of plays you can get off and at the same time limit the amount of time you have to do that.

 

i'm not forgetting there are two teams on the field, in fact i'm quite aware of that. that other team scored more than we did, partly because we took too much time off the clock trying to protect a miniscule lead that could have been/was easily lost.

[teeray]

but you have to give your team a chance to score more when you need it and you can't do that if you are limiting the number of plays you can get off and at the same time limit the amount of time you have to do that.

i'm not forgetting there are two teams on the field, in fact i'm quite aware of that. that other team scored more than we did, partly because we took too much time off the clock trying to protect a miniscule lead that could have been/was easily lost.

The time we took to get plays off had nothing to do with us losing.

It has to do with efficiency and there is no evidence that faster pace is inheritly more effecient

[thunderraiden]

Mark my words, there will be dissent in the Philly locker room at about the halfway point of this season.

Everyone can crown Kelly all they want because of a week one win. That type of offense is not sustainable over a season. Hell, they couldn't even sustain it for an entire game. Grown men that are multimillionaires won't listen the same way 19 year old kids do.

In his particular case, Ron is right.

Everyone here obviously missed the second half of the eagles and bills game.

[PantherPhann89]

The only right answer is: Study your opponent, create a game plan from your studies, execute that plan by taking what the opposing side gives you.

You don't have to play and entire half to know whether or not you can run or pass effectively. Mix it up to whichever is working the best and go with it.

[philp]

I got a feeling you won't have to worry about what Rivera says after this season. Gettleman didn't come here to settle for just good enough.

 

But how do we know Gettleman won't hire another defensive minded guru?  Lord I hope not..

[Jackofalltrades]

Sounds to me like he's been around long enough not to give in to a fad that has accomplished little thus far.

[rayzor]

The time we took to get plays off had nothing to do with us losing.

It has to do with efficiency and there is no evidence that faster pace is inheritly more effecient

 

it played a part in us not having enough of a cushion on the score and i don't consider it to be a very efficient usage of time. we took too long between a very limited number of snaps. i

 

if we got the ball off quicker, would the defense had gotten enough of a chance to get set up? already we know that the DBs were having a hard time not being frustrated with what we were doing. why not stress them further by limiting their ability to get ready?

 

as far as efficient...how is getting more plays off in a shorter amount of time not more efficient? how is getting the ball further down the field and into scoring position not more efficient?

 

when you play teams that believe in getting the ball snapped quicker and have an up tempo offense (not that the seahawks did) and you take your sweet time between snaps, you are handicapping yourself. sorry, but even though i can see some sense in trying to control the clock and taking more time between snaps, i think you can do more good by giving your team more chances to score. you keep that pace up long enough, the defenses you face are going to get stressed physically and mentally and will make mistakes.

 

all in all, it's just an opinion, but in the interest of being competitive, we need to be moving quicker and showing a bit more urgency in scoring.

 

[Jackofalltrades]

But how do we know Gettleman won't hire another defensive minded guru? Lord I hope not..

What's wrong with D gurus? Coughlin, Tomlin, Cowher, Dungy, etc.

[dos poptarts]

Gonna take the NFLPA & Front Office view perspective:

 

The players complain when there is talk about increasing to 18 game seasons. It you have a few teams (Philly/NE) that decide to run the "BLUR" offense (yes I stole this from TMQ) and if by the end of the season they run 10 more plays/game (160 plays) they will have played 18+ games when compared to avg teams by the end of the season.

 

Radio interviews with "insiders" confirmed that the players on other teams are already discussing that this means "extra games". NFL players are paid by game, not play. We're approaching Tbox discussions, but Mgmt(PHI, NE) is getting more work (plays) for same pay level. Of course there is more opportunity to increase your worth, but the salary cap means that there it is a fixed pool of $$. So if the all Offensive players want more money to run this offense (you are making them play extra snaps) , your defense will suffer from available FA and resigning. With lmited roster, finite salary cap per team and for the entire league.....I sense a player's union discussion about this in the offseason.

 

NE Off ran 74 plays/G in 2012.

10 more per game than Cinci 64 plays/G (16th).

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=SCRIMMAGE_PLAYS&tabSeq=2&season=2012&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

 

Edit:

Interesting, randomly checked other years....NE offense in 1994 ran 1199 plays from scrimmage. That's more than last year (1191).

[Oldschool Leroy]

either way, I am tired of watching Cam clap his damn hands off as the play clock winds down to zero.

[philp]

What's wrong with D gurus? Coughlin, Tomlin, Cowher, Dungy, etc.

 

Nothing I guess.  But it hasn't worked for us in the past.  I'm not counting Fox's years as a success because he wasn't consistent.  With a QB like Cam, we need something more than than run, run, shot down the field, punt.

[frash.exe]

What's wrong with D gurus? Coughlin, Tomlin, Cowher, Dungy, etc.

Coughlin has an offensive background

[panthers55]

Playing fast works if you sustain drives and score points.  He is absolutely correct that if you go three and out and take 30 seconds off the clock with three dropped passes your defense comes back out and is gassed.  Teams that play fast have systems which move the ball and still consume time off the clock due to 10-15 play drives.  Once we establish a rhythm and start having long drives then going to more of a hurry up might make sense.

I surely hope BUffalo goes to a hurry up.  I think if we had 12 possessions last Sunday we would have won.   The best way to contain us to to have long drives, back us up and keep Cam off the field.