Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Gantt: Payton outsmarted himself

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

nosuchthingasapanther Explorer

nosuchthingasapanther

Posted
Posted

payton's biggest mistake was duplicating the same error he did against the patriots...going 3 and out because of soft playcalling and leaving too much time on the clock for newton and company

granted, the panthers offense had done next to zilch the entire game, but the saints should have put forth a much better effort to get a first down than running up the gut 3x.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam Newbie

TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam

Posted
Posted

when you think about one first down at the end gets New Orleans the win, it would make me mad that they tried to play for the percentages and milk the timeouts and clock. Just play for the win even if it leaves us with an extra 30 seconds. That is Rivera ball (pre 2013 especially). This notion of playing not to lose in the NFL is a joke. Great coaches and there are only a few right now (Belichick, Harbaugh, one or two others) would have thrown it for a first down and put the game away and not left it to chance at the end.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PghPanther Mentor

PghPanther

Posted
Posted

payton's biggest mistake was duplicating the same error he did against the patriots...going 3 and out because of soft playcalling and leaving too much time on the clock for newton and company

granted, the panthers offense had done next to zilch the entire game, but the saints should have put forth a much better effort to get a first down than running up the gut 3x.

 

I agree................

 

On Payton's behalf though........our defense was playing at such a high level perhaps he didn't want to chance a sack or pass that could have resulted in a turnover......

 

He was playing the odds and field position....................if this scenario was played 10 times, the Panthers probably only score a TD 1 or 2 times......................this time just happened to be one of them for the Panthers.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Khaki Lackey Mentor

Khaki Lackey

Posted
Posted

Playing not to lose i.e. Foxball, gets you to .500, unless a Peyton Manning falls in your lap.

Unexpected on-side kicks and fake field goals will only get you so far, but if you are going to take the ball out of your best player's hands in the name of killing a little clock, you had better be sure you aren't going to leave them enough time to do anything.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
grateflday Collaborator

grateflday

Posted
Posted

payton's biggest mistake was duplicating the same error he did against the patriots...going 3 and out because of soft playcalling and leaving too much time on the clock for newton and company

granted, the panthers offense had done next to zilch the entire game, but the saints should have put forth a much better effort to get a first down than running up the gut 3x.

 

I was also really surprised they Saints didn't try a passing play to get the first down.   When they didn't it reminded me of the Panthers last season and beginning of this one.  By playing so conservative like that I think it gave Cam and the offense a jolt AND just like it burned the Panthers in the past this time we were the benefactor, went down the field and made the other team pay :devil:   

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PghPanther Mentor

PghPanther

Posted
Posted

PFT: Sean Payton outsmarts himself on left tackle decision

I'd agree, but I think he missed an additional example.

The decision to get cute and go for a fake field goal turned out to be a pretty bad one too. Had they pocketed three points there, they'd have only needed a field goal on the final drive.

 

In retrospect his fake field goal looked foolish..........but at the time it was executed he was showing how much he was willing to risk plays like this and the surprise onside kick out of respect to how tough a win it would be for the Saints........

 

The Panthers defense play was strong enough to overcome such plays even when one of them worked .............

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • TD alt
      Barnwell - Ranking WR, TE, RB Groups in NFL

      By TD alt · Posted

      Now now now, I wouldn't say there is no logic, but there's just not a lot of in-depth thought put into Barnwell's  "analysis." Now to be fair to him (and other national writers), pre-season team rankings are basically clickbait. And...Barnwell, himself, said that "there's a lot of projection here." He basically admits that he doesn't know how the hell things are going to turn out with our receiver group. He also said that "I find myself" more intrigued by Coker than Legette; that does not mean that he said that fans should be, or that Coker will even be better than Legette (regardless of ESPN's per-route-run stat). So, yeah, Barnwell said some things, but even he has to basically admit that he doesn't know how bad or good that our playmakers will be in 2025.  Overall, what Barnwell is basically thinking is that the Panthers have gotten worse at the offensive skill positions, and baked into that is that others have gotten better. That's the argument in July (meaning, please don't give this any more weight than it's due). I would personally be surprised (not shocked) if we end up worse than the Titans, Pats and Giants at least. Once you throw in the Bills, Giants, Jets, Steelers, and even the Chargers, I personally think there are several teams' skill groups that may end up ranked lower than ours by the end of 2025.  @kungfoodudeis one of my dudes, but like others he is over the tipping point. He's had enough. Seeing is believing. I will say this though: Barnwell's piece is less about logic than just good ol' opinion. And to be honest, he might as well be a Huddler throwing out sh¡t in the summer based upon nothing but good feels or bad feels.  Our offense as a whole (just like any other team's) is going to depend upon the play of the O-line and especially the QB. How you can even rank the skill positions without expressly baking those two things in the cake is beyond me. I would dare say that that's not even logical. 
    • Gapanthersfan
      Panthers Preseason

      By Gapanthersfan · Posted

      Football is not the professional sport where timidness and apprehension are justly rewarded. 
    • CRA
      Barnwell - Ranking WR, TE, RB Groups in NFL

      By CRA · Posted

      Bryce Young had a super high floor definitely at least won't be a bust safe pick we allegedly had seen in some time.......and went on to have one of the worst rookie seasons of all time.  They are all lotto picks.  And that is especially true for whatever they will be day 1 in the NFL.  I don't think Tmac is a sure thing year 1.  It's not like we watched him do his thing in the SEC.  He was a PAC12 guy.  I'm sure it will take time
×
×
  • Create New...