The Kony Ealy Gambit

[Fox007]

If that's the case then they would have been better off trading Greg Hardy for a 1st and 3rd and picking up Ford or Ealy with the extra 1st and then use some of the money from Hardy to sign a guy like Jared Allen while Ford/Ealy come up....

 

The idea floating around in this thread is why we have so many holes to fill on the team...Hurney's dumb ass kept redrafting the same positions and got nothing for those they left.

 

We drafted CJ in the 3rd and Hardy in the 6th...so...nope...lets draft WR/OL in the 1st/2nd rounds this year and continue to develop Alexander and if need be a later round prospect to develop.

 

The only situation like this that'd be acceptable to me would be WR/OL in the 1st then say...Kareem Martin in the 2nd....no reason to waste our 1st on a position of great strength.

[Udogg]

I dream about Cook and Jordan Mathews round 1 and 2.

 

or

 

Lewan and Mathews.

 

or

 

somebody and mathews.

[Future of the Funchise]

that's a fine and good approach when you have more pieces together on your roster than we have.

 

what do we do about areas of immediate need? sit and hope that maybe there hasn't been a run on good prospects that we were looking at and continue to take table scraps to fill needs?

 

You mean, what we do every year?

[t96]

I agree 100% if he's BPA and if there were no WR or OT worthy of that spot available. I would not be happy though if we passed on a WR or OT who's worthy of that spot then I'd be angry. I don't think it's likely though that there won't be a WR worthy of that spot. There's 5-6 WRs worthy of that spot, I doubt they all go before 28.

[rayzor]

There are never guarantees.  But I already listed in the OP the kind of players at our positions of need that are LIKELY to be there when we draft in the 2nd and 3rd.

 

As I've said, this draft is especially noted by the experts as being ESPECIALLY DEEP at our positions of need.  So, considering that, *reaching* for a position of need in the 1st round is something I'd rather not see us panic and do.

 

it's not like you're limiting your group of positions to just one.

 

i don't think that we'd be reaching if we drafted an LT or WR or CB in the first. this class is supertalented in addition to being deep.

 

we can't afford to screw around in hopes that someone we liked would be there later on.

 

it wouldn't be panic. it would be prudent and practical to address needs you have with the best available players at those positions so that you can go into the season with the best possible roster filled out rather than being overloaded in one area and really thin in others.

 

we have far too much committed to DE this year already than any team should ever be. i don't want us to make a bad situation worse while we are trying to be clever.

[rayzor]

You mean, what we do every year?

 

pretty much. so far that hasn't been a successful philosophy for continued success.

[Fox007]

 

You mean, what we do every year?

 

And we've had 1 winning season over the past how many?

 

Maybe its time to not keep doing what we do every year...we're a losing franchise unless that has been forgotten...

 

We'll see what Gettleman can/will do in FA when he actually has money but for now we must do the bargain bin FA.

 

As far as drafting he addressed our position of need really hard last year solidifying the DL interior.

 

[bleys]

I don't see them picking up a DE, but the possibility could exist where this is the BPA if they feel OT and WR will have similar talent in the 2nd and 3rd.  Or talent they can work with.  Not that it's likely or would like it, just that it wouldn't be a massive mind blown experience...

 

I don't think we'll be drafting a CB in the 1st 2 rounds no matter the situation and maybe even passed over in the 3rd.  With the way I see their philosophy, even if it came down to DE or CB in the 3rd, I would almost expect DE to get picked..  

[rayzor]

It depends on who the FO views as 1st round talents and who they think can help immediately.  If DG thinks the only day one starters at OT are Robinson, Lewan and Matthews and he thinks the only 1st round WRs are Watkins, Evans, Cooks and Benjamin (just for example) and those guys are all gone who do you take?  You're saying he should draft a player just because of the position he plays even if he doesn't believe in that player.

 

what if he feels that way about guys in the second or third or fourth rounds?

 

do we continue to sit and load up at DE, DT, and LB because those were the best players available while we just sit on our asses and hope that the table scraps we pick up in FA or that are sitting on our roster might not suck?

 

at some point you are going to have to take serious measures to fill serious needs and that might involve conceding a little on your BPA philosophy.

 

i'm saying he should fill out the roster with the best available players. then start building out from there. if the best available players to fill out your roster is in the draft, then you take them.

[t96]

use the first pick on a guy who would be a backup this year while we have huge needs at OT, WR, and CB?

 

makes sense.

 

how about we draft a guy that we could plug into the starting lineup right away?

 

if the goal is to replace either hardy or johnson after this year, why not wait cross that bridge when we come to it and take care of this year, you know...this year.

 

BPA is fine, but lets try to limit the choices to areas of immediate need.

 

There very likely won't be any OTs at 28 worthy of that pick, and possible that there won't be WRs or CBs worthy of that pick available. If that's the case, then we should draft a guy who is a guaranteed performer and is worthy of the pick, esp. at a position that is so important to the success of our team (he will replace hardy or cj, whoever's gone). Keep our strengths strong. I badly want Cooks, Benjamin, or Lee at 28 (or Lewan if he falls, unlikely) but if none are available we can't reach just for a position of need. We'd need the BPA.

[rayzor]

what if the BPA is a QB?

[bleys]

There very likely won't be any OTs at 28 worthy of that pick, and possible that there won't be WRs or CBs worthy of that pick available. If that's the case, then we should draft a guy who is a guaranteed performer and is worthy of the pick, esp. at a position that is so important to the success of our team (he will replace hardy or cj, whoever's gone). Keep our strengths strong. I badly want Cooks, Benjamin, or Lee at 28 (or Lewan if he falls, unlikely) but if none are available we can't reach just for a position of need. We'd need the BPA.

 

I think this is a valid point in a discussion that has nothing to do with anything but speculation until we watch the draft unfold...  

[rayzor]

i can appreciate the "keep our strengths strong" except when it means keeping our weak spots weak.

 

we need balance. that's something that this team has been lacking for a long time.

[panthers55]

The Giants took Pierre-Paul in the first round knowing that he was green and that he was not going to start right away.  They had other needs but also realized that he had a ton of raw talent and was their BPA at their pick.  They took some heat for it when it happened but clearly they made the right decision in retrospect.  So would Gettleman take a stud DE even though we have some bigger needs in other areas?  The answer is absolutely.