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McNabb weighs in on our lack of a threat at WR (via D. Newton)


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Were those guys rookies shouldering the load for a team that just gutted their WR corp? I think not.

 

Greg Olsen is the #1 receiver in Carolina.  Cotchery and Underwood are veterans and Carolina is supposed to be a run first team.  They won't be expected to shoulder the load, just contribute.

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Not so much GM fans. More like people who can read a calendar. And/or people who actually understand that no team's roster is finalized on April 5th.

If the roster still has issues in September, then I'll worry.

If you want to go ahead and start panicking now, feel free. Just be aware it makes you look silly.

Doesn't have to be finalized, but your delusional if you can't see the moves others have made in our division. And o yea it's still April for them too. You act like nobody else is allowed to make any moves, but us going forward. Other teams have improved up to this point without the draft and here we need the draft just to get back to where we were last season.

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i know this i was refering to AceBoogies attempt at hyperbole to try and prove whatever nonsensical point he is trying to make.

I grew up watching rice montana/young going to candelstick with my dad more times than i've been to BOA. He tried to lump Allen in with recievers like Megatron, Julio Jones and AJ Green where he's not even close to the same "TYPE" of player those guys are.

You're argument don't mean poo because I have the numbers to back it up. And Keenan Allen had a better start to his career than all those guys. If he was a Panther you'd be all on his dick, but since your scouting expert Gettleman missed on him you trying to knock the mans skills. Stop hatin man that's a female trait.

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Doesn't have to be finalized, but your delusional if you can't see the moves others have made in our division. And o yea it's still April for them too. You act like nobody else is allowed to make any moves, but us going forward. Other teams have improved up to this point without the draft and here we need the draft just to get back to where we were last season.

 

Actually, this is the time of year when free agency generally cools down as teams prep for the Draft.

 

And yes, other teams have made moves.  They do every year.  Every offseason since free agency started I've watched every team in the league try to get better, including ours.  This year is no different.

 

But sorry to interrupt.  Feel free to return to your panic.

 

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Actually, this is the time of year when free agency generally cools down as teams prep for the Draft.

And yes, other teams have made moves. They do every year. Every offseason since free agency started I've watched every team in the league try to get better, including ours. This year is no different.

But sorry to interrupt. Feel free to return to your panic.

I'm not in a panic, my PSL is paid up. I'm not selling poo or running for the hills. But I'm not going to live in denial or try to rationalize the bullshit that is the Panther's offseason. You're sitting waiting for a "plan" to come to fruition, without considering the possibility that we are on Plan Z right now. It's extremely possible that everything Gettleman envisioned this offseason has failed. We don't know what's going on, the players don't know what's going, and I don't think Gettleman has some master plan. And what pisses me off more than anything is that you guys put all the blame on Hurney. If we miss the playoffs this year then it's 100% on Gettleman.

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You're argument don't mean poo because I have the numbers to back it up. And Keenan Allen had a better start to his career than all those guys. If he was a Panther you'd be all on his dick, but since your scouting expert Gettleman missed on him you trying to knock the mans skills. Stop hatin man that's a female trait.

No I separated traits of receivers. You used hyperbole, I used the eye test. Dude if you wanna bring sexism into this I can bring a number of things into this. But not surprising since you defended ray rice. Hope your fiancé is in good hands.biaaaatch

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An analysis was done by some former NFL GM recently. There are only 13 no. 1 wrs in the league according to most scouts. The bears have two of them. That means over half the teams in the NFL are making do with lesser options at WR. The Seahawks put up 48 points in the SB with probably one of the 10 worst WR corps in the league. The Broncos put up less than 14 with arguably the best WR corp in the league....people need to calm down.

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An analysis was done by some former NFL GM recently. There are only 13 no. 1 wrs in the league according to most scouts. The bears have two of them. That means over half the teams in the NFL are making do with lesser options at WR. The Seahawks put up 48 points in the SB with probably one of the 10 worst WR corps in the league. The Broncos put up less than 14 with arguably the best WR corp in the league....people need to calm down.

Didn't the Seattle defense score about 28 of those points in the SB (as they had done all year)? Their defense score more points than than the entire Denver team did. 

 

And Seattle's WR's didn't have big names. But they were competent; made repeated big and spectacular catches (particularly Golden Tate). And were better than Carolina's. Just think of all those crazy throws Wilson made on the run, where it appeared he would get sacked? It was Seattles WR's who bailed him out on many of those wild/high throws for TD's. 

 

Not a good example; though we get your point. Problem was: Carolina had truly one of the worst WR corps if you watched other teams play on a weekly basis. So practically any upgrade will be an improvement. 

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Didn't the Seattle defense score about 28 of those points in the SB (as they had done all year)? Their defense score more points than than the entire Denver team did.

And Seattle's WR's didn't have big names. But they were competent; made repeated big and spectacular catches (particularly Golden Tate). And were better than Carolina's. Just think of all those crazy throws Wilson made on the run, where it appeared he would get sacked? It was Seattles WR's who bailed him out on many of those wild/high throws for TD's.

Not a good example; though we get your point. Problem was: Carolina had truly one of the worst WR corps if you watched other teams play on a weekly basis. So practically any upgrade will be an improvement.

It is a good example. If you think that the receivers Wilson was throwing to were any good before he became the QB then you're nuts. He made those receivers better...not the other way around. Cam has the ability to do the same.

Cam's ability to make life easier for the rest of the O combined with our D is what will make up for the fact that our drastically overrated 2013 Wr corp was broken up...

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You're argument don't mean poo because I have the numbers to back it up. And Keenan Allen had a better start to his career than all those guys. If he was a Panther you'd be all on his dick, but since your scouting expert Gettleman missed on him you trying to knock the mans skills. Stop hatin man that's a female trait.

 

do we have another topic to add to professor football's syllabus?

 

here's what the semester looks like so far:

 

lecture: "deangelo williams is as good as marshawn lynch"

 

quiz: "who would have been a better pick at 14 in the 2013 NFL draft than star lotulelei, and why would it have been deandre hopkins?"

 

lecture: "keenan allen is as good as calvin johnson and aj green"

 

quiz: "who is the worst general manager in NFL history, and why is it dave gettleman?"

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Not saying that, necessarily. I'm just saying, every good team has at least ONE big time playmaking receiving option. We have none. Zero. ... Unless we draft a guy who can come in and start right away and be big time, ala AJ Green, we're in trouble.

to me, that is like saying every good team has at least one superstar OT/OG or at least one superstar CB/S and if we don't get one, we're in trouble. It would be nice if we had superstars at every position, but that's not realistic. What we do have is probably the best defensive front seven in the NFL, probably the best DE duo, arguably the best DL, probably the best defensive player in the NFL as our MLB in LK, etc. Pretty much the rest of the NFL would love to have our defense. If you want more superstars on offense, then we can start trading our superstars on D for them...

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