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That line about ‘above expectation’… the whole thing is so subjective. And unquantifiable due to the nature of it. Endless variables when the grader needs to make almost a split second determination of what the expectation should even be. They try, I know. I can even give them the benefit of assuming good faith. But that is so subjective and the name they gave it is pure hype. What about it is big time? Granted some throws are great but a plus one throw n September doesn’t seem to automatically deserve the label big time. Would look to rename it with less hyperbolic label. That is my biggest objection really. Big time were the throws on 4th down in the last qtr vs the Rams. Those, all day long. Excellent and for sure under big time pressure. Some other throws too. But that kind of throw seems to be a smaller fraction of what they use to calculate their grade.

Good points. I agree on QB, for a position where guys routinely play till 35 or 40 at a high level it wouldnt be an issue to me. Like Bo Nix was older (24 I think) when he was drafted. But once a DL gets over 30, they often seem to lose a step.

Great. Meet me at BOA 6am Saturday morning and we’ll get you started.

considering [Dave] Canales enters Year 3 working for an impulsive owner. There’s not much room to slide backwards from an 8-9 season and 13-21 overall record. It doesn’t help that his primary job has been the development of quarterback Bryce Young, and the progress there has been inconsistent. Canales was supposed to turn the former top pick into a franchise quarterback. If that doesn’t happen by next January, the Panthers could be looking for both a new coach and quarterback." —————- The format of that doesn’t display on my iPad I had to paste it as plain text to see it so I am leaving it here to refer to… I am gonna disagree with a lot of that. First reference is Tepper. That interview posted here a few days back gave me the impression that he is really happy with his FO. And Canales. Seat isn’t even warm as of right now. IMO. The assertion that Canales is supposed to turn Young into a franchise QB is something I have never bought. First, how could anyone look at 2023Bryce and see a can’t miss Franchise player? He was for sure a could miss. I am not sure it was fix Bryce or you are both gone. Maybe that will happen The longer it drags on, I think maybe the more likely a total house cleaning could be an outcome. I mean it is only year 3 of Canales coming up. But as a couple of people like to point out, he has shown other concerning flaws that might damage his stock. As far as the hot seat, mid season with 2-3 wins I would imagine yeah it would be pretty warm. I think a small regression to say 7 or maybe even 6 wins would be tolerated but the seat is warm for 2027. Depends on the circumstances.

Or finish 7th and lose the first game to set up with the Pistons. One they have less playoff experience than the Knicks or Celtics and two cuz fug em that's why

This damn play is shown as one of the worst sports plays of the year on a Canadian sports channel on repeat. The reminder on a weekly basis keeps me from being too happy with our playoff appearance.

I feel some of you need a reminder - or maybe to learn for the first time - what a BTT is. Because it isn't a deep ball. It's a subjective assessment of a throw: "PFF grades on a plus/minus scale, in which players are rewarded for positive plays above expectation and penalized for negative plays in increments of 0.5. Throws graded at the higher end of PFF's scale (+1.0, +1.5, and +2.0) are categorized as big-time throws. The lower range of the scale (-1.0, -1.5, and -2.0) are classified as turnover-worthy plays." So Bryce had the highest number of graded throws at +1 to +2 of any NFL QB. Really? Keep in mind that Bryce ultimately ended up with one of the bottom PFF grades for a starting QB. This almost has to mean he also had the most turnover worthy plays or he'd be graded much higher overall. I actually think Bryce is better than his actual PFF grade (26th in the league). But the highest number of well-rated throws in the league? C'mon.

if Atlanta doesn't go on a four game win streak to end the season, we'd be still talking about the botched flea flicker in the rain against Tampa

It would be a little easier to not have this come up constantly for years if he would have performed at a higher level this year and conclusively proven what he is or isn’t. Despite (or because of) some nice bright spots, I can’t see where has done that. So here we are. Again. Still. I don’t think anyone likes being here.

A guy with limited assets as you propose may be (or is) the case, needs to surround himself with the best people he can find. Forget the ego and bring in some talent. Anyone always should do that anyway, it is more important for some. * Just speculating but say he goes two more years and is still getting owned, will he see it or be in denial? If he knows he is limited he can adapt. If he doesn’t, well not so good. If he is short in the X/O department he can keep his culture with good help. . * I am going to say, with Bevell coming in, Canales is trying to do that.

I don't disagree with you and didn't in my original post. I said that at this moment, before the draft, before any kind of free agency and with literally no one on that bench beside him, Bryce is the starting QB. Doesn't matter earned, owed, promised or pinky-sworn. Right now, it's his job. But, going back to the original statement that you'd replied to, yeah, it gets old to hear the same takes even in light of new information. Stephen Wright used to have a joke about how he drove across the country but only had one cassette tape to listen to the whole way, but he couldn't remember what it was. We're kind of at this stage.

More lukewarm than hot but struggle out of the gate and it would become pretty damn hot is my guess. That said, he really should get a chance to handpick a QB before getting let go.

That was 25 minutes of nothing and seems like a BetterHelp ad more than anything.

That's a lot to think about... Yes. I'll do it.

Absolutely. His team went 4-6 in the final ten games and faltered more than once with the opportunity to take control of the division on their own terms.

5 win season with a terrible offense, yeah probably

I only got to listen to the first 5 minutes or so but about to put it on on the ride home. Have to admit, Smitty ain't my favorite person these days but I'm interested to hear them hash out their ish. Pretty wild they hadn't spoken to each other in a decade.

"It ended on a relative high, but is that sustainable? It better be, considering [Dave] Canales enters Year 3 working for an impulsive owner. There’s not much room to slide backwards from an 8-9 season and 13-21 overall record. It doesn’t help that his primary job has been the development of quarterback Bryce Young, and the progress there has been inconsistent. Canales was supposed to turn the former top pick into a franchise quarterback. If that doesn’t happen by next January, the Panthers could be looking for both a new coach and quarterback." Ralph Vacchiano https://catcrave.com/dave-canales-just-got-saddled-with-dubious-take-panthers-fans-will-shred?fbclid=IwdGRzaAP7KdRjbGNrA_spzWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHkJgz3K18Jjarul1xOGWwqi_Olc6gUM1gUm90pB_BCM7YI4ifkLzMVkwueT2_aem_D7hVeUNDAOosS8ZVQB-aSQ Thoughts?

BY is not a starting QB in the NFL anyone who disagrees with that is either A. Doesn't no poo about football or B. Doesn't watch any Panthers football. His stats are pathetic, his play mostly is pathetic. Get competition in here at QB and shut up all the BY supporters for once. It's getting god damn ridiculous at this point

I do think Canales and the culture building IS legit and why we've improved. I don't think he's out-scheming many if any at this stage. My biggest worry is and will be, when we have expectations and lose...does that culture balloon pop?

Anyone who still thinks BY can get us to the SB and win doesn't watch any Panthers football. It takes one game hell even one drive sometimes to see this dude is a backup QB AT BEST

Nope cause I never trust PFF. But he is a good “deep ball thrower”

Hey, remember when this clown called Caleb Wilson a lazy pussy and then we learned he played the whole second half with a broken hand? LOL

You think someone being unable to make an argument that can stand with out deprecating those making the counter argument, makes a person a victim? Interesting.

While you may have a valid point you’re playing the victim card so hard it’s hard not to laugh