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Love Phillips and agree he could be our big fish FA (I’m also onboard with Lloyd). Quay was on my radar but once I read how poor he was in coverage and a liability, I kind of soured on him here. Watching Rozeboom and all these jags/practice squad LBs get torched in coveragethe past two years, I’m leaning more towards Lloyd or Dean to co-captain this D along with Brown.

Although I wish we still had him because I think he would be deadly with Bryce's mobility, we had an idiot HC at the time who ran CMC to the ground and made our offense stale. Would not be surprised to see us bring him back one day for a SB push.

The 4 INT game Manning had was against the leagues number one defense in points scored and turnovers forced. It had four defensive starters that were all pros that season and one other pro bowler. That’s a little different than the 2025 version that was decent (11th in points allowed) with one pro bowler.

He DID want to play here. I don't know why that rumor persists. He even bought a big mansion. It wasn't until things went South, with the FO not being forthright that his attitude changed, and that was relatively last minute.

Was it though? Draft picks are lottery tickets. We traded a Ferrari for a few power ball tickets. The odds were never good for us. It only makes sense if we couldn’t afford him. Given our lack of QB or any real talent…we could afford him. Great players make other players great. A concept our past GMs never understood.

bro he did not wanna play here anymore, our hands were tied.... oh and friendly reminder that CMC fumbled away his only chance at winning a SB.

Diggs is an absolute dog though. He knew everything about buffalo was fraudulent and got the fug out as quickly as possible(smart)

I respectfully disagree. Pro bowl player, A+ leader and locker room presence who sets the tone for the entire team, 1k rusher, 1k receiver, would be the perfect weapon for Bryce, we later spent a second round pick on a RB, and have spent big money on Chubba who was benched at one point this season, and none of the resources used still don’t come close to matching the production we got from CMC when he was with us. Sure he got injured (although some missed games were the coaching staff protecting him at the end of the season) but he was still young and you cannot replace a guy like him. This team would be a hell of a lot better with him, DJ and even Burns still on the team (we would kill for a double digit sack guy much less 16.5 and he’s #10 highest paid at his position currently

What's done is done. I do not think we received fair market value compensation for him. Somewhat interesting, there is an NFL commercial that featured a morph of running backs through the ages that ended with CMC in a Panthers uniform. I noticed this season the commercial changed, and no longer features him at all, but rather ends with Curtis Martin in a Jets uniform.

Everyone knows this is between Stafford and Maye.

Not playing him down the stretch in lost seasons when he was coming off injury was also honestly the right move.

Does anyone know anyone else that thinks he is an MVP candidate in line with quarterbacks? Honestly the only reason he is in these conversations is because he has literal Stan's in the media sphere. How many playoff games now have they lost by double digits with him? They even had to create an all purpose yards category to get him in an All Pro slot. Comical.

It's nice having teams other than ours look so dysfunctional for a change.

Fair. throw in the rumors of him not wanting to play even to he was cleared by the team doctors… I dont think he wanted to be a panther.

Trading him was honestly the right move. We needed draft assets to build around at that point much more than we needed a huge money RB that had missed a bunch of games the previous two seasons. That we did a ton of terrible drafting for years on end is totally different conversation.

Surely, we got an unbelievable haul of picks for him, and then smartly turned those picks into superstars.

It has been going on for years. Many years. Long time coming to reach the depths of bad form these players put on display weekly in the NFL. It started, as I recall, with the shoulder hit, trying to be a missile and just knock the guy down. Once the Peanut Punch became popular it just got worse. Between all the failed punches and the shoulder hits it is just bad. The league isn’t helping with you can’t hit high, you can’t hit low rules they like to impose. And they don’t come to the league anymore with their fundamentals established, I don’t think. NFL really really needs a minor league for player development.

Some people have carried water for so long I think they just don't know what else to do. Fascinating.

I have been just gobsmacked by how bad tackling has become on this team, and honestly, league-wide. Everyone wants that Sports Center kill shot shoulder block or the Peanut punch attempt. Just give me Luke, TD or Shaq getting a solid tackle and bringing the ball carrier down right that moment. This is why you need linebackers leading the defense and setting the tone.

That is his M.O. for the first two years. Has players identified and makes his pitch when things kick off. Wish we could have scored Williams last year but understand why we didn’t. He sets his sights high though.

Replace an earnest but fairly empty head with a head case may not be the best solution. I am gunshy of guys with attitudes that allow them to miss meetings and stuff like that. You just don’t want them around. Or, I don’t anyway. If we want value out of Legette we gotta rehab him this offseason, get him looking better before that trade deadline. If that’s possible. As he is, what the hell could you really get for him? Our top two offensive coaches have WR coaching in their background, they should be able to improve him.

Except we never take Clemson players-- but this year I think we break that rule. Especially since our run on Gamecocks is not going well.

"The one other noteworthy thing PFF analyst Mark Chichester pointed out was that Corey Thornton, in limited action, was third among rookie cornerbacks with a 68.6 PFF grade." I need to see more of this guy. From what I've seen so far he could end up taking the nickel spot ahead of CSW.

My ideal scenario is Quay Walker (LB) from Green Bay and Jaelan Phillips (rush end) from Eagles. I think Dan will be hyper aggressive and fill these two roles on day 1.

The value is in round 2. Good call. I think we are going OT in round 1, unless the top 3, maybe 4 are gone.