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No poo?! Well spank my ass and call me Mary. I've sold them short.

I mean Ron was fine, but instead of yelling at halftime when they were blown out by Pittsburgh, Id prefer he use a bit more smarts and not put Donte Jackson on prime AB 1 on 1 and then be mad when he gets torched

I'm not sure what his role will be. He's not been on special teams yet and when he's played wr it been a dump off.

All I remember is people bitching about stoic Ron. All we needed was a new owner, gm and coach. .....welp

You just nailed a big issue I have with PFF. They act like their grades are completely objective when in reality they're based on the opinion of the person grading the play. Like in the situation I outlined above. I can see why one person might grade that incomplete pass to T-Mac one on one deep negatively when you had Tremble open underneath. A lot of that depends on the offensive mindset of the team. Are we a conservative offense leaning on defense or are we a team that wants to be aggressive on offense? If the former, that play should probably grade negatively because that offense is looking to control the clock and methodically advance the ball. If the latter, that OC and HC probably applauds taking that shot counting on still being able to convert and move the chains on 3rd and 4. They'll value the opportunity for the big chunk over the safe play in that situation. They're also assuming they know the play call and the read. Was that missed throw and actual miss or did the receiver make his cut two yards deeper than he was supposed to? Did that DB blow the coverage or was he playing his correct role and someone else screwed it up? A lot of these situations the only person who objectively know the answer is the play caller and the outside observer is forced to work off of assumption.

Two fingers!

You can count them on one finger.

the smaller the player, the higher the odds of a hospital ball.

This is a young team that hasn't won anything. That is a hurdle in itself. But beyond that you need guys who can rally around each other. You need competitors who feed off one another. Where is that here? It's plainly obvious this team has no real leader. You can't expect the guys on the defense or your running back to carry the torch. They are complimentary leaders. You still need that guy who is leading you into battle so to speak. The spark. All we have is someone who can apparently wow some middle aged squares at dinner but where is the generational Payton Manningesque field general leadership we were sold on our #1 pick by so many LOUD voices before the draft?

I am

Everything I have seem with them is about hiding subjective interpretation behind layers of stats to hide what they really are based on. If it was just stats then we could all do what they do based off of box scores stats and such. That's their magic in their equation, subjective input delivered as fact.

I have a bad feeling about this. And I'm not sure for who. Its the same feeling I had after the Atlanta win.

I'd trade Legette for a bag of soggy pizza rolls at this point.

A lot of our problems (other than Bryce) is that nobody on our team has really won at a consistent level before. Like, name one other than Sam Martin that was a consistent starter for a winning team. Bobby Brown (maybe) but he doesn’t even start for us, Robert Hunt? Like one year with Miami when they were decent. Turk Wharton?

McShay says he feels better about Mendoza in the ugly win versus Iowa than when Indiana is blowing out opponents. Iowa dialed up many zero blitzes and got home a few times. One caused his pick where he rushed the pass with a LB barrelling down in his face. To his credit, with the game on the line, Iowa dialed up another zero blitz and Mendoza beat it on a slant route for the winning TD. McShay also likes his toughness as a runner. He's not a gifted runner, but effective enough and doesn't shy away from contact especially when trying to get to the sicks. Tough, accurate and not mentally fragile. Until this dude (if) this guy lays an egg, this is my guy for the draft. He survived a physical Iowa defense on the road whose game plan was to rough him up. After being harassed and pummeled all game, dude marches his team down the field for the game winning TD. It would be a breath of fresh air to have a QB overcome an ugly game to notch a win around here.

you can dive deep enough into analytics where it will lie and you can find whatever you want to find.

Not the best example since that speech didn't do much good.

Not directed at the OP. But I absolutely love seeing the sentiment for Ron changing around here now that people are reminded what an actual incompetent staff looks like.

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Since it’s the Cowboys, I’ll give ‘em a discount and only ask for a 2nd rounder.

Maybe behind closed doors, but speeches and motivation only goes so far. The person/player has to do something with it.

Ass sharpens ass

I never saw it myself. But I'm not around either of them 24/7 so I'm not going to be a reliable witness.

I'm not deeply familiar with their system but it seems to me that they likely treat every play equally. Oh, that was a positive play. Sir, it was more than a run of the mill positive play. It was a jaw dropping game winning TD. You can't treat that play as the equal of a random 2nd down play in the 1st half where you made the wrong read and it resulted in an incomplete pass. Less drastic, there's just a difference in importance to say 2nd and 4 in a game you're up two scores and 3rd and 8 when you're trailing. There has to be something in the formula to account for weighting of plays and it's something that's going to take some trial and error and you're probably never going to stop tweaking with it to fine tune it. I think that's where a lot of the PFF scores feel off. You'll watch a game and a guy will have a handful of very impactful plays but not otherwise particularly stand out and PFF will grade him negatively but did he really have a bad game? He wasn't "bad" otherwise and he made a handful of key plays. I think every football person would grade that overall positively. Same thing on the flipside. A guy was pretty decent overall but had a handful of absolutely terrible reps that led to negative consequences in the game. Despite being overall decent most football people would agree that the bad outweighed the good and that should result in an overall negative grade where it seems like PFF would tend to grade that performance positively. I also wonder if they take into account situational football. Let's say it's that 2nd and 4. Overall the offense has been struggling a bit and we haven't been able to get any chunk plays and the D is really crowding the line. Tremble is open on a drag underneath that would likely move the chains but T-Mac is running a go down the sideline and he's one on one. You take the shot. It falls incomplete. I suspect PFF would grade that negatively where I'd honestly be neutral on it. Yeah, hitting Tremble likely moves the chains but we still have 3rd and 4 coming up with a decent chance to convert (we're pretending we have a real QB here, bear with me LOL). That shot to T-Mac was a good opportunity and it makes the D respect that you can threaten them vertically. I'm okay with it in the context of the game as outlined. I'm just not a big fan of going through a game and grading play by play on a stand alone basis. You have to consider the context of the game.

I get what you're saying but we're in another galaxy beyond inspirational speeches. This is just a snakebit franchise and probably will remain that so long as the Tepper's own the team. Everything they touch turns out bad. And there's no sign of them ceasing their meddling ways.