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It's only made up in your mind because you choose not to read words. As starters in 2025. Comp % - Shough Pass yards per game - Shough Rush yards per game - Shough QB rating - Shough Yards per attempt - Shough TDs per game - Young Turnovers per game - Young Bryce is a #1 overall pick, year 3 starter. Shough is a 2nd round rookie nobody on a worse team. That my friend, is a red flag of a team doing it wrong. That team is us. and we shouldn't be talking Shough in terms of making BY look bad. We should be talking about the Carolina kid Drake "Drake Maye" Maye making us look really bad.

Does anybody think Rico kinda saved bryces career?? Because it looked like it was close to another benching until the run game popped off.

Definitely need new lbs

I feel Wallace is still developing. His motor is fantastic. I agree, that we need to add talent at the linebacker position.. Still so many needs to fill.

You don't seem to be a Panther fan. You seem to be a fan of a player. Me? I don't want bottom-tier offense for my team. Which is the entirety of the Bryce era. Both from a team and individual aspect. Being a Panther fan isn't about pretending Bryce is better than he is.

You just keep making stuff up. Bryce leads him in QB rating, TD% and INT%.

Bro, gimme Pitts in free agency

Sonny styles and Anthony hill would be awesome picks rd 1 and 2. Maybe get th3 Oregon safety thinemen in the 3rd. We do need quality oline as well

The more I’m watching YT vids of these LBs, two things are coming into focus for me. 1 - Sonny Styles will rip the combine up and crack the top-10….unfortunate that he won’t be a Panther without us moving up. 2 - Anthony Hill Jr. is LB3 for me and someone I’d like to see in Process Blue. I’ve seen a few UT fans mentioning him in the same breath as a step just below Derrick Johnson. I really hope we to LB or Sadiq with our R1 pick.

I have NEVER seen a Panthers's fan so willing to throw their QB under the bus while singing praises for a division rivals' QB. You should just stop pretending you are a Panthers fan and go over to the Saints board.

Personally, haven’t watched the Pro Bowl in 10 years at least. It is a bs football contest. It is like a promotional trial copy of a football game with a lot of features disabled.

WTF are you talking about? The team at #1 is one game over .500 while bearly beating the Bucs with a hurt Baker and losing to the Saints the week before. For any team not crawling out of a gutter that is a participation trophy level existence.

Hopefully he gets the all pro nod

I was gonna post a similar opinion. He might work as a sidekick to a better player. But he is isn’t that player. People learn and develop at different paces or rates and he still could drastically improve, but if he is what he has shown so far, nope.

yeah, I think Egbuka was the slight betting fav going into last Sun. Tmac now jumped him. Tight enough Egbuka could jump back this weekend (Phins vs Hawks is a good setup for him to). So, I think the OROY is simply the result of the Panther/Bucs final. Pending one doesn't go ham in a losing effort I think the playoff team gets the OROY.

Use it as fire big dog

Agreed. Whichever WR makes the playoffs (I ASSUME you mean TMac vs Egbuka) gets the OROY most likely. Both players have been lights out all season. Tmac still edges him out so far in every category: yards = 924 - 910 YPG = 61.6 - 60.7 TDs = 7 - 6 catches = 65 - 59

I mean, I largely spoke about Shough initially going into the week we played the Saints (and was right about why we needed to talk about him)......and now in a thread about OROY. Seems about right to me. You want to talk about Sam Darnold? I can do that because it would make sense to right about now as well.

Regarding the fan vote, that will almost always be the determining vote. Compare how many fans vote, compared to coaches and players. It's millions compared to thousands I would guess.

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Well Shough is 3-3 on a team and replaced a QB what I had considered a QB comparable to Bryce that was 1-7 with the same team and coaching staff. Between Shough and Young I know which one I’d take, despite some clutch Bryce stuff that has popped up this year. The overall game is just better. More. I feel like Shough can make every throw Bryce can and a bunch that he can’t make, will see the field better, has adequate mobility - enough to call it an asset. Will run a better play action game because he can turn his back and not lose his perception of where his targets and defenders are. Can do a sneak. Throw a Hail Mary. All that pro NFL QB stuff. I don’t know where you can say Bryce would beat him out head to head except for possible intangible qualities. Which are hard to quantify. But he isn’t rookie of the year with 9 games played. Or 8 whatever it will be. PS when you ridicule me as not a Panthers fan, I will be rooting for Good Bryce to show up the next two weeks. Same as if Cam was there or Kyle Allen or PJ or whoever.

You can’t play half a season and win a season long award. It was a miracle Peppers won DROY after getting suspended the final 4 games. In no way shape or form should that QB be in the conversation.

Just pay whatever DBs bonus is for making the pro bowl and tell him to take a vacation on Teppers dime after we win the Superbowl

Stuff like this is why this fanbase will never be taken serious. Saints fans can rally around a subpar QB and get excited for the future. Meanwhile, we’re a game away from locking down the division and a good chunk of the fanbase is looking at the salary cap and mock drafts to replace the QB responsible for our recent success