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Well. Everyone knows now what they will get with Winston. He is a finished product at this point, and he has his good moments certainly, but his bad moments are back-breaking. He could be a good bridge qb. I don't know how much of a mentor he would be to a young qb though I really thought he would stick around for a while in NO post-Brees.

@Stumpy You got a Wet Ass Bussi meme for me?

What's the social?

us and pretty much every other team in the league

Not sure how much sense that makes because it would require trading draft capital to obtain him. Sam Howell, who is a younger and slightly less productive player but essentially the same guy is a free agent. Just bring him in. I will say these guys are basically Hail Mary 3rd QB options, ideally.

Bryce does it schemed up in very select areas of the field. Which in no way shape or form has anything to do with a naturally aggressive downfield thrower Moose wasn’t considerable faster. His top end speed was always questioned and was a possession WR….with same type fluff day 40 as Tmac. Are we now trying to act like Mushin was a blazer in the name of defending Bryce?

I have a group of friends that will be attending. It's surprising how many people believe that only members can attend these tailgates.

Only people in our fanbase consider him starting caliber. Ask any other NFL, non-casual fanbase and they will laugh when you ask the question about how good they think he is. It's no different than the Matt Moore stans, the Weinke stans, the Pickles stans, the Kyle Allen stans, the Darnold stans, the PJ Walker stans, etc, etc, etc, etc. You just end up with a portion of the fanbase that is irrational and illogical.

That should be obvious to anybody with two eyes except the BYDF.

If I'm Morgan, I'd be trying to bring in Winston.

Sunk cost fallacy is holding onto assets in the hope of recovering a return, rather than taking your losses and reinvesting them into something that may pay off. This is the exact opposite of sunk cost fallacy by keeping a failed asset.him be a second stringer for a year. ———— You he think he is a fallacy. You aren’t alone. I am a minority probably. I could say it differently. We have something invested in him, unless he is a locker room issue or bad teammate I am not calling him completely sunk. I would let him be a backup and let it play out some more and just see where everything goes. He has had good days and Dalton played he seems to be able to make it work, I just wouldn’t make that move right now. Demoted is fine, no argument. I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. You said he is "sunk cost" which is a reference to the sunk cost fallacy. The investment has been made and gained little to no return. Cutting our losses now(future draft capital and/or roster spots) is the prudent course of action. Having a bad backup WR serves no value.

Coke Boys!

I remember the first time he played vs the Panthers. When I saw him I knew we were still winning the game but thought in a couple of years he will be a problem. Just so quick on his feet and the arm… you won’t need to worry about Hail Mary throws.

I think Murray will not be short of opportunities if he gets released. If Justin Fields had so many suitors after how bad he was, Murray will get plenty. I think he is likely to go for a price that doesn't make a lot of sense unless we deem him THE QB, which I don't think I would be interested in. I'd even be wary to have him on a Geno Smith/Baker Mayfield/Sam Darnold level "dollar store" franchise QB price tag/length.

Kotkaniemi a healthy scratch again, after playing probably his 3 best games of the season in terms of physicality, playmaking and owning the face-off circle. Hmmmm....

There aren't many. Here are the close and maybes. Eagles: AJ Brown was a 4.49 guy and DeVonta Smith was supposedly a high 4.4 guy as a sophomore(he didn't run at the combine or his Pro Day, so this is going to be sketchy in general). Lions: Williams didn't run the 40(ACL injury, although he is likely a sub 4.5 guy on the eye test) and St. Brown was a 4.51 guy. Seahawks: Smith-Njigba was a 4.5-4.55 guy(didn't run at the combine, numbers from stopwatches at pro day) and Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62. Rams: Adams was a 4.56 and Nacua was a 4.57. 49ers: Jennings was a 4.72 and Bourne was a 4.68. Cardinals: Wilson was a 4.62 and Harrison Jr. is a complete question. The last recorded 40 time was in HS at 4.6. Likely he is faster than that but it's unknown how much.

XL needs to be out the door.

Yeah Murray is a freak! Small, fast and crazy arm talent. Doubt he'd come here for peanuts though.

Cupp is another 100 skill level player. If we think TMac and Coker are on that level right now, then that's just not being honest. And the Rams have always had a blazer out there that teams had to back up for. We have XL. But I agree, Bryce needs to take more shots deep.

Murray has talent and skill, but when I look at his game, he might as well still be the exact same qb he was at Oklahoma. I don't think he has grown, developed, blossomed, refined any skill at all over his NFL career. Maybe bad coaching, maybe bad player, probably some of both. I would still add him to the roster in place of Dalton. Having Dalton back there is like having no one.

There are a few guys on that list that are interesting to me, half have the makes bonehead plays but really talented downside. I don’t know why because I am not a fan but when I saw Murray I had a good feeling. If he didn’t have the no film watching rep he has I’d say bring him in. Play backyard ball for a year or two. He can sling it and can get away from people a lot better than what we have. There are a few others we’ll have plenty of time coming up to consider them.

Of course bro sucks. Only a handful of dead enders on here and especially Panthers Reddit think otherwise. Strangely it's helpful to see big media pointing out what a liability he is, because them doing the opposite most of the last three years has fooled a lot of low-information fans into thinking he's a legit starter.

Right... and Bryce Young has thrown it over defenders' heads with a rookie TMac and a 2nd year Coker. Both considerably slower than Muhsin. Speed matters. It's not always running past people straight down the field. A guy that can run routes and then blow by you is dangerous and will always need to be accounted for - usually with more than one DB.

That also the #1 offense in the NFL. And before DeVante they were lighting folks up with Puca and Kupp. top of the NFL receiving books is full of 4.5 guys