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Yes. Why yes I do.

But that front flip thing he did though.. https://youtube.com/shorts/CXfLcV5_CqI?si=_M7joWwZg6N2x_6z

You don't think I'm a neutral party? See, the problem isn't "apples vs oranges". It's "should vs will". Sad to say, a fair number of people don't seem to comprehend the difference between those two things, and that lack of comprehension leads to a good amount of misguided discussion.

The thing I remember about Carr the most is seeing him literally just take off running straight backwards. I've never seen anything like it. I was younger then, so that's when I believed if you could get a former #1 pick you could probably just rehab him. (i.e. the Sam Darnold resurgence that ironically made a pit stop in Carolina)

No more Freddie. Please. Make him third goalie and ride the Koochie Bus.

Has anybody actually said anything of that sort? (if they did, I missed it) I get why some folks rely on stats. I don't, and honestly I'm not sure why people keep trying to convince me I should. (it ain't gonna happen) Consistency is my big thing too, and the lack of it is why I want to move on from Bryce. But again, that's an argument I make without denying that he can indeed play in (and yes, win) NFL games. Hating bad QB play is fine. Denying when you see good QB play is silly. Let's be real for a second... This may not be you specifically, but there are some folks for whom Bryce can do absolutely nothing to win their approval. Some are always gonna want a bigger / stronger / faster / more athletic (in some cases, Newtonesque) quarterback even if Bryce does start to play consistently. At that point, they'll just shift the argument from "we can't win with Bryce" to "well, we can't keep winning with Bryce" You know all this as well as I do. So again, I want to move on from Bryce as well. I'd happily (hell, merrily) keep him as a backup, but I doubt there's a realistic path to that happening. But no matter what, I'm gonna keep my debate points based in reality, and I'm not gonna be responsive to "he just sucks" level persuasion. Is any of that unreasonable?

Apples and oranges. No one is coming for Jon Snow and the neutral party when they compliment Bruce when it is just normal talk about a game. Which is the literal picture you are trying to paint above. I mean that’s exactly what you argued. if you start a thread that is about the future of the franchise at QB going forward at QB and what we should do or are thinking! Yeah, the anti Bryce crowd is going to very vocal on that thread because the literal topic is extending Bryce and the future at QB (which is what an anti Bryce position is literally about. Moving on. The future) This thread? I literally called out people in their feelings wanting to make this about Bryce and their hurt feelings eroding over. You can find where I literally calls them out go make another Bryce thread if they didn’t want to talk Saints and the most relevant thing about them. And the thread went exactly as we all knew it would. Bryce deserved player of the week talk for Atlanta. I have always acknowledged his great games. A shame there are only two

Then the offense will be the same up and down underperforming offense they are this year and our FO are filled with idiots.

The Panthers are not making the playoffs if they don't win the division. Its as simple as that.

David Carr helped the Panthers win as recent as 2010.

1 shot 1 goal again

I'm saving my powder for the offseason.

That's not David Carr. Where are the gloves? I very much remember all the threads around the old Huddle about how David Carr was brought in as "competition" for Jake Delhomme. How we were somehow going to fix him after his stint with the Texans. And then we did get to see Carr on the field - thanks Tommy Jone - and he definitely looked like a guy that was seeing ghosts. Every time there was a hint of pressure, he'd run backwards and basically got himself sacked. Oh, and I found this ancient thread. I kinda remember some of this. https://www.carolinapanthersforum.com/threads/the-official-david-carr-sucks-thread.136521/

1-1 ratio……sounds familiar

Yes...oh, that's not the kinda grass you're talking about.

Are you fugging kidding me?

Aho at 7:09

Toronto is playing better now than the last time Carolina faced them. Carolina was -210, I'm sure that was before Freddie was confirmed in net. Not looking forward to this.

The NFL and NFL Players Association have agreed to a new model for selecting playing surfaces in stadiums Fingers crossed we get a grass field back. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47203298/nfl-union-agree-new-model-picking-playing-surfaces

Oookaaay. just to review the original topics and where we're at to this point: - Jeremy Fowler, Dan Graziano, Joe Person have all said that they expect Young's fifth year option to get picked up, with Person calling it an "easy decision". I've yet to see anyone say otherwise, and barring something crazy happening there'll likely be more insiders and analysts making the same prediction in months to come (especially if we make the playoffs). - Also doubt anyone disagrees that Dave Canales isn't being retained (which was actually the first point thrown out in this thread) and any staff changes that do happen will probably be backfilling as opposed to replacing. - Front office? Turnover, title changes and promotions are pretty close to an annual thing there. May or may not be major moves, but there will likely be changes. Heck, there are some prior positions currently unstaffed which they may be looking to fill (Neil Stratton is always a good source for news of that sort). ... So, questions? Comments? Insults? Or are we good?

This dude has led his team to 11 PPG since taking over, which would be an NFL-worst by more than 3 PPG this season. He just put up 3 points at home for his offense against the Falcons two weeks ago. Even Rattler has averaged 5 more PPG this season, and he was benched for how poorly he was leading their offense. Rattler is a second-year 5th round pick with only 14 starts in his NFL career and is younger than Shough, so I think it’s still fair game to compare the two with the exact same supporting cast around them. Becoming a Shough fanboy is what happens when I guess you just read box scores on ESPN. You can fawn over Completion % and YPG but at the end of the day if a QB isn’t leading his offense to score points, that’s a pretty giant elephant in the room that I can’t just hand-wave. Is Shough an awful bust? Of course not, his career has barely started, and has a lot of good and a lot of bad like most rookies. But do I think he has been super duper impressive so far? Naw. We should decide as a fanbase if we’re actually serious about wanting better than mediocrity, or if we glaze starting QBs who score 11 PPG. I don’t think those are compatible positions.

I don't think it matters too awfully much. The NFC South will only get 1 playoff team, the division winner.

Probably a little bit of both.

Swiss Army knife, yes.

It was 2007. Also, how did you not know they were related???