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The Panthers’ Bryce Young Problem is Getting Old
raleigh-panther replied to Proudiddy's topic in Carolina Panthers
Yeah. I was responding to another poster, and only to the poster’s spin i think all of us are sick of it, all of it we just want to be proud of the team we support and enjoy the game played st the highest level on sundays and cheer them on With the current owner, FO, players, it is hard to imagine that as a possibility -
The Panthers’ Bryce Young Problem is Getting Old
Waldo replied to Proudiddy's topic in Carolina Panthers
Anyone that's willing to run the limited scheme he requires will be a laughing sstock. The NFL isn't school -
I dislike that this is the perception being made. Some of the most successful defenses deploy a base 3-4. And everything is very scheme fluid these days with how safety, nickel and LB roles have evolved over time. I agree, it takes time, but we simply grabbed the wrong personnel. It's not the 3-4, it's that we're playing a scheme without suitable LBs for deployment. We don't get good enough edge setting at OLB and don't have the smart & alert ILB play. Compare to what Evero learned in. That had Willis/Bowman...we had a guy in Jewell who knew how to do it and pretty well, not from Evero but straight from Vic. The best we could find was Rozeboom and are trying to develop Trevin (threw him in with the wolves) which is not ideal. Meanwhile, the vets at EDGE do not have the run stopping chops you expect.
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The Panthers’ Bryce Young Problem is Getting Old
CPF4LIFE replied to Proudiddy's topic in Carolina Panthers
This is why I laugh at the narrative that If stroud and bryce switched teams the texans would be just as good. -
redshirt soph I hope he keeps getting better this year and the Sec is the place to do it
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He feels more like Richardson. I don't know about his passing intangibles, he's also only a sophmore i think?
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Bryce Young is a problem — what would you do if you were Dan Morgan?
CPF4LIFE replied to OldhamA's topic in Carolina Panthers
The browns are full of poo. They have him on the active roster because they wouldn't dare put him on the practice squad. Gonna be interesting what happens once watson comes back, they are just capitalizing off all the attention but it won't last long. -
So we may be on our 4th option at the slot already
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Yes. He needs to work on turnovers and accuracy. https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article294024634.html
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Some of this was good offensive playcalling against our front (the 4 & 1 for example). But interesting on that one it was our 3-4 personnel but we technically had 5 with hands in the dirt. I wouldn't call that a 5-2 but it's what 3-4 teams do in these run commit scenarios. So that playcall restricts us from having 1 more guy to be more fluid in space on the strong side, and we lose lateral containment. Good job by our new safety to call it out presnap, but bad execution by Wallace and Jackson IMO. Trevin with the error. He saw the motion and shifted but took an initial angle towards the handoff not the anticipated location. Bad field awareness. So he was now behind and the Jags had 2 guys to engage Jackson & Moehrig on the outside. Jackson just kind of sloppily engaged Strange. Outside of that, one of the biggest things I'm noticing is a severe, and I mean severe, lack of presnap communication on our defense. It just seems to be Moehrig. He had some iffy angles this game but was far and away doing the most to get our guys in the right place presnap. I think Moehrig is trying to do everything and then some so he's going to be caught out of place because of this. Rozeboom and Wallace aren't doing that (and other things) which is a major concern. Rozeboom took such a excessive first few steps in that last clip, he just gave the Jags a cozy opening to float in a completion. You could see he was pissed. The 2 ILBs in our scheme need to be communicators and quick decision makers. Trevin has the quickness but not the awareness or decision making. Rozeboom doesn't have the quickness and is just average/below-average. We need help there if we want any sort of decent defense this season. The line and OLBs have the ability to stop the run, but not when these 2 are making terrible decisions and allowing teams to play in the middle of the field.
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Later in the draft sure! The guy is a tough competitor.
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This 3-4 is the death of our defense and has been since Tepper forced it on Ron. We've never had the personnel to implement it correctly and Evero isn't the coach to do it either. It takes years to move from a 4-3 to a 3-4 with good drafting, so with our FO, we should get there by 2194.
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I hate how true that is.
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To be fair, we are playing complimentary football. Both sides are trash and carrying us straight to the bottom.
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Red, you quite literally tried to derail a thread about the defense with your same OP. You don't need to resort to petty insults when you're challenged and unable to defend your opinion effectively.
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To be fair the Panthers were 8/15 on 3rd downs. That's pretty decent. The defense being tired also doesnt change the predictable soft defensive play calling.
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Lite? I'm not sure there's any 'lite' about him. He reminds me more of Cam than any QB coming out of college since Josh Allen, and Sellers is significantly better as a passer than Josh Allen was coming out of Wyoming. Still raw, yes, but farther along in his development than Allen was and has played against much better competition in the SEC. Now, he hasn't shown the ability to outright carry a team on his back the way Cam did at Auburn, but that's an extraordinarily rare trait for a QB. Most QB prospects don't check that particular box. On the flip side, South Carolina has a lot more talent than Auburn did when Cam was there so Sellers hasn't had to carry them.
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The team is in desperate need of complimentary football rather than this, "One side will have to carry the other" Hell we've been in. Offense has to turn clock-killing drives into points and the defense has got to get off of the field on 3rd and long. It's going to be a long season, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel in the form of $70M in cap space for next year and a full slate of draft picks (including MIN's 5th instead of CAR's original 7th). If Bryce looks more of the same then that first rounder is going directly to a QB. If he shows that the end of last season wasn't a mirage then BPA all day, every day.
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I don't mind spending the resources either because you have to know if Bryce is the guy. His next contract will be in the 30-50m AAV depending on his play level. Eventually someone that spending is going to have to fall off and when it does, he's still going to need to be that guy. But pretending he's the only QB in the league that has a difficult road to get up to speed is disingenuous. Other QBs are coming in and simply looking more prepared, more talented, and more like an NFL starting QB. All the pre draft hype has been just that, hype. This isn't all his fault. The team has no identity from top to bottom starting with the owner. Maybe he is successful elsewhere, but with this team, this owner, this FO, and this coaching staff, it's going to be hard for anyone, much less someone that needs to be a unicorn in the SB era.
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I would take in a heartbeat. With TMacs ability to catch just about everything in a fifteen foot radius, those two together would be freaking dangerous. He isn’t very accurate, yet, but he doesn’t need to be with the type of WR we have. Cam wasn’t very accurate either, that turned out ok.
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Really love him as a college qb. His passing makes me question whether he could become an NFL starter. I would pass.
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The defense was not good by any means but the two units aren't doing each other any favors. I don't think Evero is particularly good and it appears he may be allergic to youth. If it wasn't for the fact we constantly hear about how our drafts/acquisitions are his idea (and then they fail to pan out) I wouldn't hold nearly as much against him as I do, especially because of spending. Fwiw, the offense is atrocious and it starts at the head of the unit, but many of us have also been very down on XL as well.
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We spent a lot of draft capital on Bryce when we had holes all over the roster. Now we still have holes all over the roster but just added the biggest hole of all in the need for a new qb. There is no quick fix. What is needed is a disciplined and patient approach to building back the roster. Unfortunately, we don't have that kind of owner. People on here were actually talking about trading two firsts and a quality player for Micah Parsons. For what? A slightly better D?
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