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I mean, poster also said Young or Mahomes, it would have made no difference. If there was way to actually test that hypothetical, I would sell every belonging I have and wager that Mahomes would indeed yield different results. Mahomes automatically changes the D coverages. He automatically changes the threats. He attacks and threatens a field different vastly different. We have seen good QBs and great QBs play behind horrific OLs in a single season....and they don't default into being the worst team in the NFL. Frank Reich was old, stubborn and not creative enough to deal with an anomaly QB like Bryce. The best QB in the NFL wouldn't be handicapping Frank, they would be enhancing Frank. Starting week 1, Frank didn't even trust Bryce with basics....Frank gave him I what I feel comfortable with you being able to do offense. Which took throws and plays off the table because Bryce couldn't do early on what a bad vet in Dalton could. Mahomes would not yield the same results.

All I have to say to this really, is it sounds nice and downgrades Stroud to make Young look better is more like what this take does. Look at the WR numbers the year before and then the year with Stroud. He made them better, not the other way around. That’s my opinion. I appreciate you designating that it was yours. Many state these things as facts.

but what if.....and here me out....the pro Bryce Young stuff was coming from people under Fitterer. You know, the people who are employed to feed him that input. And they happen to all still be employed here. when Rhule was fired I desperately wanted Fitterer fired. It set things up for Fitterer to be the sacrificial lamb the next time things went poorly....every time we move on from a disaster, we are retaining a heavy % of the folks who helped bring the disaster we are "moving on from". Everyone argued Fitterer probably could be great and it was all Rhule. We are just repeating the same stuff to a degree IMO. Panthers needed a clean slate post Rhule era. Needed another post Frank era. Things were just too bad or too dysfunctional IMO to be salvaging so much. We keep failing to do that.

Underhill, it was being discussed At The Time. The lack of deep balls. One reason Dalton got hit, yes, was standing in and delivering a deep ball. It’s just a lot quicker to say wake the fug up where have you been.

I don’t see how a pro could miss stuff that took me 15 minutes to see. Never understood how they could not see it.

If both the games today go to 7.

losing still has some perks.

“Agree with my assumptions because I say so.”

Anyone heard if we’ve picked talks back up with him?

One thing XL has going for him is he has a superstar name. Legette is such a badass last name. Reminds me of Legate Lanius from Fallout New Vegas, one of the best games ever made

Every time I hear legette talk

Luke got me questioning things

Going to be Sunday afternoon again which sucks.

The Panthers Huddle is usually just propaganda …this one was actually good im feeling good about the Morgan and Canales marriage the proof is ‘in the pudding’ however …and have to remember a first time head coach and players who have never played together before but they can’t possibly be worse than last year the wild card to all this, too, is Young I wish I felt better about him but I don’t Morgan says he wants ‘dawgs’ not ‘dogs’ I.e. pit bulls vs poodles…I see young as the latter, not the former Regardless, life is full of surprises…maybe he is a lot more than I see. I’m not a scout or coach

There are a lot of moving parts to this type of questions and way too many variables to consider to really predict how the outcome would have been any different in 2023 with Dalton starting more than just one game. But instead of focusing on that Seattle game, another game, and the game following it, are more intriguing to me. Week 16 vs Green Bay. Young had the best game of his rookie season. 23/36 (64%) for 312 with 2 TD and no INT. Thielen (6/94), Chark (6/98) and Tremble (4/59) all had huge plays in the passing game. The running game was a different story. Hubbard (16/43) and Sanders (3/3) combined for just 46 yards rushing. Mays was starting at LG and Jensen at RG. The offensive line was able to protect Young just enough to keep the Panthers in the game until the very end. But this wasn't because they were playing at a high level, rather the Packers defense played horrible this game. But this horrible defensive effort by the Packers allowed us to see what could be possible if Young had time to process and throw. Fast forward to Week 17 vs Jacksonville. The offense was shut out and the offensive line allowed 6 sacks and 8 more QH's. If you go back and watch these games back to back, the line play if very noticeable. When Young had time in process and move, he was spot on. When the line collapsed, like most QBs, he was ineffective. When you draft a QB 1st overall in the draft, especially if you trade up to do so, you hope to get a QB that can make plays despite the struggles around him. Think Newton his rookie year. Should the Panthers have traded up in the 2023 draft to the 1st overall and should they have drafted Young at that spot? My opinion is no to the first question and no QB in 2023 was worth trading up to take in the top 10. Neither Stroud, Richardson or Levis would have been worth it. But none of them would have fared any better than Young either with the Panthers, in my opinion. Stroud had a good season in Houston but he didn't have a Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson season. He needed slightly above average talent in one of the worst divisions to make the playoffs. He had the season we were hoping for in Carolina but wasn't going to get with Young or Stroud. Now, I'm not trying to put Young up on a pedestal here. There are a lot of questions that still surround him and his ability to be QB1 on the Panthers in the future. But the issue last year wasn't just the play at the QB position. And really, I don't think the WR issues were as much as people make them out to be. The real issue on this offense was the line and the running game. If your line can't get a push to run the ball or pass block to pass the ball, you have no offense. Start Young. Start Dalton. Draft Stroud, Richardson or Levis. Kidnap Mahomes. Doesn't matter, I think the end result would have been the same.

If there’s any year to be aggressive with it, it’s this one.

Rod didn’t sound so sure on TDA today. Also wtf NHL? You serious haven’t released the schedule yet, I guess they are waiting to see how things shake out tonight?

i think that in the last year or two of fox, we had started becoming complacent and just accepted losing as not a big deal. we were ok with it. with cam (NOT because of Rivera) we started getting some of that grit back, but then after the superbowl run in '15 gettleman killed the team by gutting it. since then we never recovered. guys that could have helped us, he let go. rivera was a nice guy. he wasn't a tough leader that brought out the best in people. the league let cam get beat up because they didn't like him rivera and our front office had no spine to stand up for him. then rhule came and whatever fight/keep pounding spirit we had in us, he ran out of town. you combine all that with what you were talking about, NFL becoming a finesse passing league, made the league soft. i think with the way it appears we are getting rebuilt, we will be bringing back some smashmouth. will we focus on pounding the rock a lot of the game? i sure hope so because teams aren't really built to stop that kind of thing anymore. and the more you are built like that, the further you will go in the playoffs.

First thing I'd have done as the new GM is pull up every Scout's report on Young. Anyone that was wrote a glowing report would immediately be fired.

Why would he ever leave that gig?

It looked to me like the later rounds were littered with gifts to position coaches. How well versed on why this corner at 176 vs the other one, is Tepper going to be?

ok

WW We're top of the waiver wire til regular season week 3 when they start the new rankings

The biggest problem we've had with this team since Rivera left is that we have become progressively more timid. Certainly on offense, but mostly on defense. Football is not a finesse sport. It isn't gentlemanly. You don't want to kill or injure opposing players, but it is essential that you knock them hard enough to intimidate them or at least make them pensive about every move they make. We used to be those guys. And we haven't been for a very long time. So, I hope Dan and Dave can bring us back to this. We need it. And a tough, hard hitting team always gives you a shot, even when you might not have the finesse talent on the field. Yes, it is a passing league, but scared or addled receivers and QBs change the whole game. We need our grit back. We've been a bunch of neutered Persian cats for too long.