Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Scouts overrated list---from Prisco

stirs

By stirs,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

gettlemanjack Newbie

gettlemanjack

Posted
Posted

Auburn was a heavy running team last year. Crazy Robinson is rated so high when they say he doesn't know how to pass block

"A handful of scouts and others I trust think the safer pick at tackle would be Matthews, rather than Robinson. They say it's because Robinson still has to learn to pass block, and that's risky."

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mr. Scot Grand Master

Mr. Scot

Posted
Posted

From the article...

 

 

Who's overrated? I also asked those same personnel people for a handful of players who they think are overrated. The names that were mentioned:

 

Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Morgan Moses, T, Virginia
Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Jeremiah Attaochu, DE, Georgia Tech
Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

 

I would disagree on Moses, Nix and Van Noy. But that's why they get paid to do it, and I don't.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
nagai Newbie

nagai

Posted
Posted

I agree with a lot of that list. There's not a lot of depth when it comes to the front 7 players in this year's draft, so a lot of players get propped up. The one guy I really disagree with is Teddy Bridgewater, because saying he's overrated implies that there's some sort of consensus -- there isn't. He's all over the place depending on which scout you ask.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mr. Scot Grand Master

Mr. Scot

Posted
Posted

i know there has been talk about a DE in the first for us.

 

I've watched a bit on this Ealy guy. And he doesn't pop at all for me. Looks like a 3rd or 4th rounder. Am i just missing something?

 

Whatever you're missing, I'm missing it too.

 

The tape I've watched of him just doesn't show me anything special.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
nagai Newbie

nagai

Posted
Posted

i know there has been talk about a DE in the first for us.

 

I've watched a bit on this Ealy guy. And he doesn't pop at all for me. Looks like a 3rd or 4th rounder. Am i just missing something?

 

Agreed. He's got very good lateral agility so he can dip and bend, but he's just not that explosive.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tiger7_88 Experienced

tiger7_88

Posted
Posted

Auburn was a heavy running team last year. Crazy Robinson is rated so high when they say he doesn't know how to pass block

"A handful of scouts and others I trust think the safer pick at tackle would be Matthews, rather than Robinson. They say it's because Robinson still has to learn to pass block, and that's risky."

 

 

Auburn threw the ball 284 times last year.

 

Yeah, that ain't like the Mike Leach Air Raid, but almost 300 passes is still a pretty significant sample.  And Robinson didn't perpetually struggle or get constantly owned on those passing downs.  He was consistent and held his own on passing downs all year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panther4life Community Regular

panther4life

Posted
Posted

Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks Gilbert is overrated. Dude is so scared of contact it's unreal and can't/won't shed a block to help defend the run game.

I was also expecting to see Brandon Cooks on this list, you can quote me as saying he's not a first round receiver.

I'm still trying to polish up my final rankings but I'd take all of these receivers over Cooks.(in order)....

1. Watkins

2. Evans

3. Beckham

4. Robinson

5. Lee

6. Matthews

7.Benjamin

8. Latimer

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tiger7_88 Experienced

tiger7_88

Posted
Posted

Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks Gilbert is overrated. Dude is so scared of contact it's unreal and can't/won't shed a block to help defend the run game.

 

 

 

Know who else was scared of contact and couldn't/wouldn't shed a block to help defend the run game?

 

Deion Sanders.

 

Now, I'm not saying Gilbert is another Deion Sanders, I'm just saying that if his pass defense is outstanding, sometimes you're willing to give a little in the run game for the shut-down corner.

 

The question is, is Gilbert a shut-down corner?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panther4life Community Regular

panther4life

Posted
Posted

Know who else was scared of contact and couldn't/wouldn't shed a block to help defend the run game?

Deion Sanders.

Now, I'm not saying Gilbert is another Deion Sanders, I'm just saying that if his pass defense is outstanding, sometimes you're willing to give a little in the run game for the shut-down corner.

The question is, is Gilbert a shut-down corner?

He's not Deion sanders

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • strato
      Hey You, You Don't Know Quarterbacking

      By strato · Posted

      Yeah and I am doubtful he can offer that consistently. I don’t have many years left at my age and in my view we have wasted two and this whole exercise with him was always a three year minimum.  I am out on that with a guy I don’t believe in, and never believed in, it has sucked. To me it is a costly detour off the right track. Years.    But I am not so rigid that I can’t see excellence. He needs to display it though, consistently before I change my outlook.  
    • fieryprophet
      Hey You, You Don't Know Quarterbacking

      By fieryprophet · Posted

      No, when I said rage, I meant rage, which only applies to certain fans on this board. Your timeline of trying to assess whether he is the future or not is really tied to the discussions surrounding his second contract. If this team is going to commit to some monster contract while he has shown nothing but glimpses of brilliance would be deservedly worrisome, so the clock is genuinely ticking for him to settle into something resembling his final form. Perhaps a best case scenario is that he plays well, the team succeeds, but he does so with a more limited role that makes the rest of the league view him as a game manager, and his second contract value reflects that. Then he continues to improve and becomes a bargain comparatively while not handicapping the team around him, and we enter an era of consistent championship competitiveness that the fanbase has craved for decades and has never really experienced before. But that requires many, many things to go right and for Bryce himself to facilitate that if he ends up being the quarterback of the future.
    • strato
      Bryce's Achilles Heel Is Not What You Think It Is

      By strato · Posted

      Exactly. And the flame throwers as well, get location benefits from not going all out. But they have it in reserve.  Not sure how much Greg had but he was an artist.  There was a YouTube I came across last year or maybe even 2023 and I don’t how to even find now but it had two NFL QBs I want say one was Carr from the Raiders but I don’t really remember  The point of it is they stood side by side throwing identical distances to identical targets. Radar gun was used.  They threw the normal effort (not all out) and it was measured etc. Then they were asked to throw their ‘fastball’. They were missing and most often they were missing high. It demonstrated the same principle.    edit: and applying that to arm strength, give me the guy that doesn’t need max effort to have good velocity. The margins are so narrow with less velocity in tne NFL the defenders can Close on it and this is a league where they value down to the 100th of a second level. It is that tight 
×
×
  • Create New...