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O-Line\No Huddle

CubsWin

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I've read it somewhere this morning and it's what I thought last night.. Cam's interception (his only of the year and we're in week 5) was a tip.. There were several tips during the Bears game.. My thought is that is a direct result of good blocking.  I was pleased with the way our O-Line played yesterday.  The first half was a brain fart for the entire team, I really liked what I saw in the second half from an 0-Line that has received some negativity from the huddle recently.

 

Secondly, I have a question.  When this team does no huddle we absolutely dominate, they essentially give the keys to Cam and let him fly.  Why is this something that is not utilized more?  Is there a downside to running this more?

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I haven't went back and looked, but tipped balls are usually a mixture of 3 things:

 

1. QB throwing the ball too low.  Sometimes height has a role in it.  Side-arming it.  If I recall, a lot of passes from Clausen would get batted down for this reason.  Wasn't a tall guy (for a QB) and didn't throw a good ball.

 

2. Offensive line not getting the DL's hands down.  If you are loose with the defensive lineman and they can freely jump, then it is hard for the QB to find passing lanes.  

 

3. Excellent anticipation by the DL.  JJ Watt is splendid at this.  When you are under center in an offense that preaches getting the ball out fast, DL expect you to throw on that 3rd, 4th drop.  If they can get their hands up in time, it leads to batted passes because usually you aren't throwing a "high" pass if that makes sense.

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Must establish the run & control the clock. It's a process.

 

The no-huddle and success through the air yesterday opened up the run game for us. You don't have to establish the run first. Controlling the clock is important when your defense is elite and you have a run game that can actually sustain a drive. We may have an elite defense but it's a little questionable in some areas, but we absolutely do not have a run game that can sustain a drive on its own. Need the passing game to open it up.

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The no huddle works if you can consistently move the ball and your defense can stay out on the field for long periods of time.  One of the problems with teams that run the no huddle is that you might have our defense come in after giving up a 15 play drive only to get less than 2 minutes rest and back on the field. 

 

Sure it is great with less than 2 minutes on the clock which then works because teams are more in prevent defense and you have to throw so you aren't fooling anyone by not putting out 4 receivers in coverage.  But doing that all the time can backfire.  I think Denver and Philly are the only teams that run the hurry up most of the time.

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The no huddle works if you can consistently move the ball and your defense can stay out on the field for long periods of time.  One of the problems with teams that run the no huddle is that you might have our defense come in after giving up a 15 play drive only to get less than 2 minutes rest and back on the field. 

 

Sure it is great with less than 2 minutes on the clock which then works because teams are more in prevent defense and you have to throw so you aren't fooling anyone by not putting out 4 receivers in coverage.  But doing that all the time can backfire.  I think Denver and Philly are the only teams that run the hurry up most of the time.

You are correct they do, the Patriots do it quite a bit as well..  My only point is this.. I've never watched this team run the no huddle and NOT be successful.  When I say "this team" I mean in the Cam era.. Am I mistaken?

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I think we will see more no huddle in the coming weeks. For some reason it helps the oline. Probably because it tires the opposing line.

we need that 75% of the time. can you imagine the increase benefit of the run game considering lbs/dbs would back up...Ron better say something because it likely never even happened in shula's mind already.

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The no huddle works if you can consistently move the ball and your defense can stay out on the field for long periods of time.  One of the problems with teams that run the no huddle is that you might have our defense come in after giving up a 15 play drive only to get less than 2 minutes rest and back on the field. 

 

Sure it is great with less than 2 minutes on the clock which then works because teams are more in prevent defense and you have to throw so you aren't fooling anyone by not putting out 4 receivers in coverage.  But doing that all the time can backfire.  I think Denver and Philly are the only teams that run the hurry up most of the time.

 

Correct...and we all know the success Denver and Philly has had using it.

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we need that 75% of the time. can you imagine the increase benefit of the run game considering lbs/dbs would back up...Ron better say something because it likely never even happened in shula's mind already.

I think 75% is a bit too high. We need to pick our spots wisely

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The no huddle works if you can consistently move the ball and your defense can stay out on the field for long periods of time.  One of the problems with teams that run the no huddle is that you might have our defense come in after giving up a 15 play drive only to get less than 2 minutes rest and back on the field. 

 

Sure it is great with less than 2 minutes on the clock which then works because teams are more in prevent defense and you have to throw so you aren't fooling anyone by not putting out 4 receivers in coverage.  But doing that all the time can backfire.  I think Denver and Philly are the only teams that run the hurry up most of the time.

 

I would agree with that, but we don't have the offensive personnel to sustain anything right now.  A 6-7 play drive throwing the ball is better than a 3 and out when running the ball.  Personally, I think you do some of both, hurry to the line, get the defense on their heels using the pass, spread the ball then run the ball to slow it down some.  I think with them signing Ogbannaya, it has shown that we are planning on using a more pass heavy game because it is what our personnel dictates.  Use a short pass game to open up the run game, the key component missing is a speadster which I really think Philly could become.

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