Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Question for couch coordinators...

Towelboy

By Towelboy,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

Towelboy Enthusiast

Towelboy

Posted
Posted

Is there an offensive philosophy that works with our current roster? We do not appear to be signing new offensive weapons, so what can we do with the roster we have?  

 

What would you do? Overload one side and have Cam roll the other way? No-huddle hurry-up? Quick outs and drag routes? If you were given this roster, what kind of play calling are you installing in your base offense?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
thefuzz Mentor

thefuzz

Posted
Posted

Is there an offensive philosophy that works with our current roster? We do not appear to be signing new offensive weapons, so what can we do with the roster we have?  

 

What would you do? Overload one side and have Cam roll the other way? No-huddle hurry-up? Quick outs and drag routes? If you were given this roster, what kind of play calling are you installing in your base offense?

 

 

You are asking for two different things.

 

 

We are set up to run a Coryell, that's what we will need to continue to run.  The issue is we have too much money tied up in RB's (stupid all the time) and not enough in the O Line (stupid almost all the time).  

 

 

Coryell is based on a power running game, and we don't have the ability to have one right now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Towelboy Enthusiast

Towelboy

Posted
  • Author
Posted

I'm going to be honest, I had to look up the Coryell Offense. According to wikipedia:

"Overall the goal of the Coryell offense is to have at least two downfield, fast wide receivers who adjust to the deep pass very well, combined with a sturdy pocket quarterback with a strong arm. The Coryell offense uses three key weapons. The first is a strong inside running game, the second is its ability to strike deep with two or more receivers on any play, and the third is to not only use those two attacks in cooperation with each other, but to include a great deal of mid-range passing to a TE, WR, or back."

If that is the case, it isn't just our poor protection and running game, but lack of FAST WRs that is holding us back also.

 

If we can't establish the run, what would you do to move the ball? Allow Cam to do it all? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SgtJoo Proficient

SgtJoo

Posted
Posted

I'm going to be honest, I had to look up the Coryell Offense. According to wikipedia:

"Overall the goal of the Coryell offense is to have at least two downfield, fast wide receivers who adjust to the deep pass very well, combined with a sturdy pocket quarterback with a strong arm. The Coryell offense uses three key weapons. The first is a strong inside running game, the second is its ability to strike deep with two or more receivers on any play, and the third is to not only use those two attacks in cooperation with each other, but to include a great deal of mid-range passing to a TE, WR, or back."

If that is the case, it isn't just our poor protection and running game, but lack of FAST WRs that is holding us back also.

 

If we can't establish the run, what would you do to move the ball? Allow Cam to do it all? 

 

Well the only problem there is that we have A.) No run game and B.) Not even one fast receiver

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ruff Newbie

Ruff

Posted
Posted

Yeah, we're nowhere near having an offensive identity other than "hope Cam bails us out on 3rd and long".

If I'm installing a new offense, I'd go for a zone stretch offense. Let the offensive linemen block down instead of trying to manhandle their opponent, and give Cam space to make plays out of the bootleg.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Peppers90 NC Community Regular

Peppers90 NC

Posted
Posted

no runs up the middle on first down, our backs are more off tackle types.  more swing passes if the defense is playing off.  but none of that matters if the players fail to execute.  i think there have been some good play designs the last couple of years, but the fact of the matter is the line sucks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
pantherj Grand Master

pantherj

Posted
Posted

Not a flea-flicker to the slowest WR in the NFL.

 

The read option is very important. Designed runs for Cam. We're limited in what we can do due to a lack of offensive talent. I would lean on Cam, but that's going to put him at increased risk on injury.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
WhoAmI? Newbie

WhoAmI?

Posted
Posted

I think that we already went into depth with this topic a few weeks ago. I want us to run the Air Coryell, because I think it would best fit Cam. However, obviously we lack an O-line. That's the thing, you really can't run any offensive system because we have the worst O-line in the NFL. You can't run smash mouth, you can't run a vertical offense, you can't run a coryell offense, etc.

 

That's another thing though. We don't have an identity on offense so we can't build on anything and get better at a system. Shula tries to throw in a little bit of everything and it doesn't work that way. We need a definite offensive system that we can build around so our players can get familiar with it. But, it doesn't really matter anyway if our defense keeps allowing 37+ points. It's all a mess man.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted

Is there an offensive philosophy that works with our current roster? We do not appear to be signing new offensive weapons, so what can we do with the roster we have?

What would you do? Overload one side and have Cam roll the other way? No-huddle hurry-up? Quick outs and drag routes? If you were given this roster, what kind of play calling are you installing in your base offense?

Only two things works. Elite D. More elite than ours last season paired with our current O or

It is called....Cam save us and try to be a one man wrecking crew. This also requires prayer too.

There is no magic formula where you add bad OL play, no traditional rush attack, and no WRs to stretch the field that = successful offense.

Cam dropping back every play and pulling off magic is our only shot if our D is gonna be giving up 30

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • cranky
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By cranky · Posted

      It all sounds great. The only unknowns are injuries and how they will need to be addressed. Horn has a history as does the newly added Jaelen Phillips and Cooker has yet to play an entire season as well. And then there are the Ikey's - totally unexpecteded injuries that put a major wrench in your plans. I do think its a great plan though.
    • LinvilleGorge
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By LinvilleGorge · Posted

      If we pay Bryce like a franchise QB we're completely and utterly buttfuged.
    • MHS831
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By MHS831 · Posted

      In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
×
×
  • Create New...