Talk of Peterson and Rice coming back quickly...

[Frizzy350]

The people responsible are the fans who are so morally righteous that they can't forgive anyone. These social justice warriors believe in excommunication and harassment and do not care about things like freedom of speech or a fair trial.And many here are no better than the people who got Hardy kicked out.

 

The same principles were in place when that audio recording of Donald Sterling was made public. The guy said some horrendous things in a private conversation and people demanded he sell an entity he was the rightful owner of. And regularly people go after the jobs of people they disagree with, that is the new form of tyranny. Rob Schneider recently lost a job doing commercials for some company because he believes receiving multiple vaccines at the same time causes autism. Of course there is no scientific evidence to support this, but should someone really lose their job for having an unpopular opinion?

 

You could make a similar argument for Joe Paterno. He followed the law in his actions but for social justice warriors following the law isn't sufficient. You have to throw on the rainbow colored cape and get on the frontlines of social justice or face their wrath.

 

In the NBA Chris Andersen was 'excused' by the Denver Nuggets when police officers were investigating him for child pornography. After a lengthy investigation it was discovered that he was the subject of an elaborate hoax. Did the social justice warriors or the Denver Nuggets or anyone else compensate him for his damaged reputation and missed job opportunities? No. Social justice warriors answer to no one.

 

When you constantly have a visceral response to everything and you believe in never forgiving anyone and you think it's productive to make any criminal ineligble to work ever again and you forego due process you are no different from those who got Hardy exempted.

 

Obvioulsy it's absurd for a player to miss more time for contesting charges than for admitting guilt. This clearly encourages players to accept guilt to make themselves eligible to play. I'm no Hardy fan. The guy is trash personified and anyone making 13 million dollars should not be dating some slutty waitress. But at the end of the day we shouldn't be encouraging guilty pleas so players can play. The punishment for hitting a woman is 6 games. The punishment for hitting a woman and denying it is 18 games. That's basically what the social justice warrior has dictated to Roger Goodell.

 

Not definitively autism but there is legitimate skepticism in the medical science realm regarding over vaccination (and no, this isn't about all vaccines, nobody is refuting the legitimacy of polio and small pox vaccines).  I read this interesting nugget today for example: http://yournewswire.com/johns-hopkins-scientist-reveals-shocking-report-on-flu-vaccines/.

 

Bravo though! Excellent post. I too find it utterly hilarious and counter-productive how so many people think it is acceptable to solve disputes and social issues through violence, force, imprisonment or economic servitude.  It is no different than a radical religious group showing up to your village informing you to following their system of belief and laws or be murdered.  Take the Ray Rice situation for example: Even if Rice was barred from ever playing in the NFL again or receives a prison sentence, in what way is justice served to the victim Janay?  All she gets is a husband with no method to support their family.

 

People who subscribe to this thought legitimately believe it is acceptable methodology because a *FEW* false accusations are worth barring the acts from society.  For one, the laws and punishments are never successful in barring those actions from society.  Rapists, murderers and thieves commit those acts regardless of the punishments already set in place.  False accusations have always been a significant societal issue, hence why the forefathers of the USA attempted to set up a series of systems to protect the innocent until proven guilty.  Even so, we still experienced the salem witch trials, the massive incarceration of Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WW2, and the commie witch hunt during the cold war.

[cookinbrak]

Rice and AP had physical evidence and admissions of guilt. Hardy is "he said, she said".

[Frizzy350]

The difference is I'm not pursuing this guy being prevented from earning a living. It's one thing to dislike somebody or their actions, it's another to try to have them locked up in prison for life or have them banned from work.

 

Obviously everybody has their differences. I'd argue most NFL players are bad people. I remember Beason's incident at that club in Charlotte and that rap song he made at Miami that was highly offensive. I didn't want him out of a job though.

 

You mean the time he dislocated a man's face who was slandering him and his teammates.  The same man who was significantly larger than Beason and had somehow managed to get assaulted by half a dozen pro and semi-pro athletes in his life?  The same man who would routinely tell women he was a player for the Carolina Panthers?

[Anybodyhome]

The difference is I'm not pursuing this guy being prevented from earning a living. It's one thing to dislike somebody or their actions, it's another to try to have them locked up in prison for life or have them banned from work.

 

Obviously everybody has their differences. I'd argue most NFL players are bad people. I remember Beason's incident at that club in Charlotte and that rap song he made at Miami that was highly offensive. I didn't want him out of a job though.

 

How do you characterize "most NFL players are bad people"? What does that even mean?

 

NFL teams have a 53-man roster and 10 more on practice squad and those on IR. Right now the Panthers, for example, have 7 on IR, 10 on practice and their allotted 53, for a total of 70 players.

 

So, by saying "most" you're of the opinion that more than half of those 70 players are whatever your definition of "bad people" are? And continuing on with that logic, more than half of the approximately 2000 NFL players are "bad people?"

 

And I thought I was a cynic....

 

 

 

[PandaPancake]

Off season already?

[blackcat]

if Hardy didnt ask for a jury trial, he would be playing already.

Everybody here would have done the same thing. Accepting the bench trial verdict would have drastically hurt his negotiating power with every team this coming offseason. Also could have opened up a can of worms in terms of a civil suit.

Also worth thinking about is this: how would he have been dealt with by the nfl if had he plead guilty? You saw what they did to Rice......

[chknwing]

Everybody here would have done the same thing. Accepting the bench trial verdict would have drastically hurt his negotiating power with every team this coming offseason. Also could have opened up a can of worms in terms of a civil suit.

Also worth thinking about is this: how would he have been dealt with by the nfl if had he plead guilty? You saw what they did to Rice......

 

uhh thats not what I said.  He didnt plead guility. He was found guilty already. he would have served his mandatory 6 game suspension and be back already.  And theres nothing stopping a civil suit now if one wanted to file one.  Deciding not to appeal the courts decision would not have any more impact on negotiating power than it has already.  When Hardy decided that he wanted to goto trial to clear his name so to speak, he made the decision that he more than likely wouldnt be playing the rest of the season, which is obviously ok with him.

[fjblair]

if Hardy didnt ask for a jury trial, he would be playing already.

 

Probably so. It was a huge mistake to push for the jury trial when he could have taken his medicine and let things calm back down. He was found guilty by the judge and he will be found guilty by the jury. I'm not sure if it is ego or incredibly bad legal advice but the decision to keep the case alive was a colossal fug up.

[blackcat]

uhh thats not what I said. He didnt plead guility. He was found guilty already. he would have served his mandatory 6 game suspension and be back already. And theres nothing stopping a civil suit now if one wanted to file one. Deciding not to appeal the courts decision would not have any more impact on negotiating power than it has already. When Hardy decided that he wanted to goto trial to clear his name so to speak, he made the decision that he more than likely wouldnt be playing the rest of the season, which is obviously ok with him.

Here's the other thing, what if he's actually innocent?

[ThaJackal]

and the guy in San Fran never sat a down.

[Red Zone]

Probably so. It was a huge mistake to push for the jury trial when he could have taken his medicine and let things calm back down. He was found guilty by the judge and he will be found guilty by the jury. I'm not sure if it is ego or incredibly bad legal advice but the decision to keep the case alive was a colossal fug up.

 

Not necessarily true. We will see.

[bandu]

The Greg Hardy case should be overseen and managed solely by the Mecklenburg County Court system at this point in time.However,the current NFL is appeasing the media and trying to intervene prematurely without a verdict in order to protect their societal image.Thus leaving the NFL in a predetermined position to fail at properly intervening with an unbiased ethical conclusion to this matter.So,if hes found innocent will the media apologize and be accountable for their role in all this mess?

[unicar15]

The sad thing is that those two guys basically admitted guilt, went through the process and will have time served.

Hardy is basically saying, "this is slander I'm not guilty and I'm not going to be perceived as a woman beater the rest of my life" so he fights..and will end up probably missing close to two seasons of football and may not get a contract in the offseason. He must be REALLLY sure about his case.

[PanthersAlv]

Wow, I am impressed by this thread a bit.

 

Some smart answers and thoughts went into it. Not just "gif approved?" and "here we go again".

 

Personally, I see it like most people do. Hardy won't play for the Panthers again. (would love to have him back... but, likelihood?)

 

But, like someone asked... "What if he actually is Innocent?"

The way this whole deal went down in the NFL was a knee-jerk reaction to the Rice stuff. And was a media witch hunt that took Hardy down with it for the NFL to save a little face.

Actual evidence was given in both the other two players issues. Pretty much proving they did what they were accused of. Not the same with Hardy's case.

The fact that the judge ruled "guilty" because the lady that testified had "nothing to lose or gain" and also SAW nothing, rings pretty loud to me. And I don't have to be a judge to know that with just that justification, there can be reasonable doubt.

Overall though, the NFL played the hand it was dealt VERY poorly, and I think most of us can agree to that.

Now, as fans, we really just need to take a "well, that sucks... moving on" approach. Because I don't see anything really working out for this team in this whole ordeal. Either per the NFL, or per the moral standings of the team's owner. No compensation, no "well, when the trial is over, we'll be waiting to talk to you". No nothing.

Oh well... :/