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More RB talk ( Tolbert Time)

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Look, the OL has improved some....they still aren't opening huge holes. But they do occasssionally open ones they never did earlier. There were runs by 28 yesterday where he just makes his own...that a lesser back simply does nothing with. They would be 1 yarders or losses.

Brings me to my issue.

Mike Tolbert. Tolbert has looked a shell of himself all season. He can't run. Tolbert like Williams needs to move down the depth chart. He is a 30 yr old RB. He has been bad all year. OL isn't helping him just like it wouldn't help 34 if he came back. 30 yr old runners are 30 yr old runners.

Tolbert is a RB. He is being used as one so let's not start talking about his FB label. He had 7 carries yesterday and averaged 1 yard.

Fozzy needs reps. Tolbert is the new DWill.

Run will be huge this week. Stewart and Fozzy don't need these dudes wasting snaps. As we saw last year, running is harder on the postseason. Rivera needs to get it right.

Gettlemen was right. We actually do have answers. Rivera needs to get to them quicker.

And I am fine with Tolbert being used as a FB. That never happens though. Can't remember last time he was a lead blocker for a RB. Even when he is it tends to clog whatever small hole a RB could slide through.

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I think Fozzy is here long-term. He looks impressive when he gets in, he is young, he is cheap. I agree he should be in the rotation.

 

I think the issue with Tolbert is the way he is used. He is not a great between the tackles RB. Because of his size, people want to run him up the gut. This makes sense if you are on the goal line or if you need a yard or two - that's all he's going to get you.  He is most effective on screens and dump offs. We've seen the pain he delivers if he gets a few steps to get his motor going. If I am OC, I am using him more like Sproles and less like Alstott.

 

edit: and I've actually been impressed by his blocking since he has come back. Its certainly better than the alternative.

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Think you've misjudged him. His first game back was NO and since then our running and passing game have both improved. He's great as an extra blocker and as he's put on weight he's less useful making yards and much better as a lead blocker.

If he never lead blocks how is he much better at it?

I'm fine with him as a pure pass protector. But he used to spell Stewart....and Tolbert can't run anymore. Too inconsistant. Rarely a positive result. Williams-like results pre and post OL change.

Like I said, I am fine with him in pass scenarios however He is currently spelling 28 as simply our 2nd RB optoon and his runs are a waste when we have Fozzy....who has done nothing but proven every opportunity he deserves more touches

Tolbert brings positive. Staff again seems to struggle with player management. Asking guys to do X that should do Y and guys that can do X watch.

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Look, the OL has improved some....they still aren't opening huge holes. But they do occasssionally open ones they never did earlier. There were runs by 28 yesterday where he just makes his own...that a lesser back simply does nothing with. They would be 1 yarders or losses.

Brings me to my issue.

Mike Tolbert. Tolbert has looked a shell of himself all season. He can't run. Tolbert like Williams needs to move down the depth chart. He is a 30 yr old RB. He has been bad all year. OL isn't helping him just like it wouldn't help 34 if he came back. 30 yr old runners are 30 yr old runners.

Tolbert is a RB. He is being used as one so let's not start talking about his FB label. He had 7 carries yesterday and averaged 1 yard.

Fozzy needs reps. Tolbert is the new DWill.

Run will be huge this week. Stewart and Fozzy don't need these dudes wasting snaps. As we saw last year, running is harder on the postseason. Rivera needs to get it right.

Gettlemen was right. We actually do have answers. Rivera needs to get to them quicker.

And I am fine with Tolbert being used as a FB. That never happens though. Can't remember last time he was a lead blocker for a RB. Even when he is it tends to clog whatever small hole a RB could slide through.

 

as far as the Oline "improving some" I'm not going to look it up but aren't the Panthers like 7 or 8 in average rushing yards...also don't pick on TugBert...

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Mike Tolbert. Tolbert has looked a shell of himself all season. He can't run. Tolbert like Williams needs to move down the depth chart. He is a 30 yr old RB. He has been bad all year. OL isn't helping him just like it wouldn't help 34 if he came back. 30 yr old runners are 30 yr old runners.

 

 

I am concerned that they are giving him plays where he follows pulling linemen but has to run parallel to the OL.  Tolbert is not a "change direction" back, so don't ask him to run any way except where his shoulders are parallel with the LOS. 

 

However, Tolbert is a veteran, very good at picking up blitzes.  But, I agree, the production is not there.

 

How much can a short RB who is over weight actually endure in the NFL?   Has it caught up to him?  I think he may simply be rusty due to the injury, but he won't make the roster playing like he is now in 2015.

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