2013 Panthers Rookie Grades

[O-Ther]

3 starters a year removed from the draft is pretty good--especially when you consider we did not have a third rounder.

 

This quote seems pretty accurate and is generally what I go by to determine immediate draft success:

 

"If you look historically, teams get 2.3 (32.8% of the 7 picks) starters per draft and as a team, I think you need to strive to get 3 starters per draft (42.8% of the 7 picks) , or I should say players worthy of starting."- Mike Reinfeldt, former GM of the Titans

 

TO PUT 2013 INTO PERSPECTIVE:  The Panthers, had 2 player of the 5 picks, or 40%, starters or players worthy of starting as rookies.  A year removed, that number is 60%, with the jury still out on Kugbila.  Pretty good.

 

2014 IN PERSPECTIVE: 4 starters (Benjamin, Benwikere, Boston, Turner, and the odd man out is Ealy) who are rookies is tremendous. Ealy is probably conisdered "worthy of starting"  That is 5 of the 6 picks--considering Gaffney went to IR--5 of 5 either started or are now proving they are worthy of starting.   100%

 

While this was solid, free agency is where Gettlemen is doing his best work--with absolutely no money to spend. 

 

Again, putting this into perspective, I found an article that discusses what the author thinks an exceptional draft--belonging to the Chargers some time ago:

 

"As an example of what an exceptional draft might look like, I thought the Chargers' 2005 draft class might serve as a good example.  With the selections of Shawne Merriman, Luis Castillo, Vincent Jackson, and Darren Sproles, you could argue that their success rate that year was 57.14% (they had 7 selections that year).  This probably represents, or is close enough to representing, the upper limit for what teams can currently aspire to achieve.  This is obviously far from a typical result."

 

So, if the 2005 Chargers draft proves to be exceptional, and I agree that it was impressive because the 4 starters became stars, you can see that Benjamin, Ealy, Turner, Boston, and Benwikere have the potential to eclipse that draft--beyond the upper limit of what teams can aspire to achieve.  Throw possible stars Philly Brown and Norwell into the mix, this has the chance of being the best rookie class ever assembled.  Not bad for a GM in his second year. 

 

One more key point.  These rookies have star potential because this team turned it around when Boston, Brown, Benwikere, Norwell, Turner, and Ealy began playing.  They turned it around, when we all thought we were auditioning for 2015.

 

http://occamskangaroo.blogspot.com/2013/06/overall-draft-sucess-rate.html

 

I don't know cuz I wasn't there at the Giants office, but it would make sense that when Gettleman left the Giants to come here, he wouldn't be allowed to take his notes and evaluations with him. Why let Gettleman do that when he's going to be working against the Giants in that next draft?

 

If he really does watch that much film, there's no way he's going to remember every player and every note from memory. So it would make sense that he would dive into our scouting notes and evaluations and change what he could from memory. Having to sift thru notes they made without knowing who the next GM would be (Hurney got fired 4 or 5 games into the season) and what traits that next GM wanted them to concentrate on probably meant their notes had a lot of holes. Prolly why he hit on Star and KK (since they were top talents, they were easier to remember) and only hit on Klein after that.

 

Now before this past draft, he could properly direct the scouts what traits he valued and how to properly evaluate them with a full off-season of time. Looks like they listened to him and now we have a draft class that has the potential to be not only our best ever (2001 so far), but one of the best in NFL history.

 

 

 

TLDR; Gettleman had to do 2013 draft from memory, 2014 draft he had proper player evaluations available

[MV%doe]

You should add the 3 UDFAs.

Wes horton- still getting snaps&starts on a deep group. Solid against the run.

Melvin White - given panthers about 20 starts, may have been the best 2013 CB. currently top backup on the outside.

Robert Lester- still developing, gave a few starts and could add to ST.

Remember the hernia times? Nick goings, hoooooover, pig farmer, and bell are about all herniay found in ten years. So far don dave gotten about 6-8 players and in cap hell years cheap talent is ultra valuable.

[Mr. Scot]

This can't be right,

CPantherKing assured me none of our rookies for the past two years were any good

[MHS831]

I don't know cuz I wasn't there at the Giants office, but it would make sense that when Gettleman left the Giants to come here, he wouldn't be allowed to take his notes and evaluations with him. Why let Gettleman do that when he's going to be working against the Giants in that next draft?

 

If he really does watch that much film, there's no way he's going to remember every player and every note from memory. So it would make sense that he would dive into our scouting notes and evaluations and change what he could from memory. Having to sift thru notes they made without knowing who the next GM would be (Hurney got fired 4 or 5 games into the season) and what traits that next GM wanted them to concentrate on probably meant their notes had a lot of holes. Prolly why he hit on Star and KK (since they were top talents, they were easier to remember) and only hit on Klein after that.

 

Now before this past draft, he could properly direct the scouts what traits he valued and how to properly evaluate them with a full off-season of time. Looks like they listened to him and now we have a draft class that has the potential to be not only our best ever (2001 so far), but one of the best in NFL history.

 

 

 

TLDR; Gettleman had to do 2013 draft from memory, 2014 draft he had proper player evaluations available

 

He was not over college scouting at NY-which sorta supports your position-he was over pro player personnel.  His job was to know every other NFL team's roster.  I don't know about notes--I assure you that most good ones don't need them.   Most of what he brought was already in his head.

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

This can't be right,

CPantherKing assured me none of our rookies for the past two years were any good

 

you know i just looked at his posts because i see it getting brought up in this thread

 

my lord that is TRD talking about matt moore or grits discussing cam level.  somebody with an extreme bias on a particular topic so dense that light can't escape.

[Catweisers]

What you saying is that our Rookies have been Great or way better than we ever imagined they could be!!!

Well the First season is over now they are seasoned under fire.  No more Rookies or Vets just one well oiled machine grinding our opposition into dust!

Sorry got carried away there.  The rookies, it seems has been our bright spots for quite a few years now.  Sure hope our This Years Rookies can help us get to The Promised Land.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

you know you can look up the entire draft history of every team in the NFL on wikipedia.  gettleman's work over the last two years with limited resources and cap problems (not to mention coaching issues) has been pretty damn good.

 

for example, there are a lot of people with an axe to grind on this site railing against him over the edmund kugbila pick.  "oh my gawd, what a horrible waste of a fourth rounder!1" they cry.  the 49ers, a team whom we can probably all agree drafts pretty well and has been more successful than the panthers in recent years having made deep playoff runs and a super bowl trip, spent a fourth rounder in that same draft on marcus lattimore.

 

better yet, take off your panther blinders and look at the fourth round and later in most drafts.  it's mostly a bunch of crap.

[O-Ther]

He was not over college scouting at NY-which sorta supports your position-he was over pro player personnel.  His job was to know every other NFL team's roster.  I don't know about notes--I assure you that most good ones don't need them.   Most of what he brought was already in his head.

 

 

Again, don't know from personal experience, but logical to deduce that when there's 256 players drafted and roughly 8-12 UDFAs signed by all 32 teams after the draft, he'd need notes on those roughly 576 available players.

 

Since he was over the pro personnel with the Giants, I would infer that he relied more on the material that Hurney directed our scouts to write-up in the way Hurney wanted them to. If that's the case, we should REALLY be thankful for KK and Klein.

[MHS831]

Again, don't know from personal experience, but logical to deduce that when there's 256 players drafted and roughly 8-12 UDFAs signed by all 32 teams after the draft, he'd need notes on those roughly 576 available players.

 

Since he was over the pro personnel with the Giants, I would infer that he relied more on the material that Hurney directed our scouts to write-up in the way Hurney wanted them to. If that's the case, we should REALLY be thankful for KK and Klein.

 

We can only speculate how that transpired.  We are lucky to have KK and Klein.

 

[Panthers8969]

3/5 isn't bad

[Ricky Spanish]

3/5 isn't bad

 

Well in this context no...

 

Others it's down right racist...

[catnip]

Good draft considering Hurnia never got anything after the first round and also giving up picks in trades.

[Panthers8969]

Well in this context no...

Others it's down right racist...

Lol