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Johnny Goofball


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crazy. Total trainwreck. Found drunk by team security. Did pretty much nothing but slack until he was made starter and then tried to cram to learn the offense and he couldn't even get the plays right. The players like 3rd string Connor Shaw better because he at least knows the playbook and how to call the plays. Pretty much the only people in the organization who still like him are on the business side because he sells jerseys, but his jerseys aren't going to be selling for much longer at this rate

the original ESPN exposé:

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12216266&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fm%3Fq%3Dmanziel%26client%3Dms-opera-mini-android%26channel%3Dnew%22%7D&wjb

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Why would manziel care anyway since his family is loaded?? he already has his safety net.

That's pretty much what I said when he was drafted and a big reason I thought he'd be a failure. The successful guys in the NFL give it their all because it's their one good chance in life and know better than to squander it.

It's about the bright lights to Johnny, and he can fall back on mommy and daddy once he fails. He's pretty much proven me right so far from how I felt about him when he was drafted.

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