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All-time worst Panther starters?

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There's an entertaining thread on this at Reddit, where you choose your team's all time worst starting line-up.  The only condition is that you have to choose players who actually started enough games to be considered a starter (so Brian St. Pierre is out, but Clausen's in play).

 

What do you think the Panthers would be?

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A defense that would make any offense look good...

DE: Jason Peter, Chuck Wiley

DT: Nick Hayden, Sione Fua

LB: Lester Towns, Na'il Diggs, Hannibal Navies

CB: Sherrod Martin, Rashard Anderson

FS: Haruki Nakamura

SS: Damien Richardson

I think Martin would have done well as a CB tbh. He was too weak and soft to play safety but he was okay in coverage. He struggled in tackling and run support.
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Worst DE is probably Ray Seals. We signed him as a free agent in 97 (if I remember correctly) and he was terrible.

 

He was good in Pittsburgh, but he was around 100 years old by the time he got to Carolina.  Which makes me think of another topic that I've often wondered about, and that's how good Capers was when he wasn't in charge of personnel and just focused on coaching.

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In no particular order:

 

QB - Jimmy Clausen (goes without saying)

HB - Lamar Smith/2005 Stephen Davis (both averaged 3.5 YPC)

WR - D.J. Hackett, Rae Carruth, Louis Murphy, Dwayne Jarrett

LT/RT - Byron Bell

DE - Jason Peters

DT - Sione Fua, Ron Edwards

K - Justin Medlock
KR/PR - Joe Adams

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