Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Jags Preseason Week 3 Game Observations

carolinascats

By carolinascats,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

carolinascats Newbie

carolinascats

Posted
Posted

*This could have been discussed in an earlier Jacksonville discussion thread, but I didn't go through them all to check.

So I've seen a few football people who are leaning towards the Jags in our week 1 matchup, and part of their reasoning seemed to be how they had looked in preseason.  Because of this I decided to go back and watch the first half of their week 3 preseason matchup versus the Lions to see what the hype was about.  After watching the game, it is easy to see why someone could interpret it positively for the Jags.  However, when you actually look deeper than just the score line, there is good reason for Panthers fans to fee confident.  

Reasons

1) The Jags could not stop the run: Detroit would have scored more earlier, but they got in their own way with an early penalty and by forgetting to run the ball.  The Lions averaged 5.4 yards per rush, and this wasn't just made up by late scrubs running up the number.  Early on the Lions got great push and seemed to run the ball mostly at will against the Jags.  All of their backs were seeing positive results.

2) The Jags could not run the ball: Compare Detroit's 5.4 yards per rush to the Jags only managing 2.5.  It looked like Yeldon was constantly running into a wall.  The Jags were not getting good push up front, and it made their running game mostly ineffective.  The Jags did get a rushing TD from Yeldon, but it really didn't look like he had crossed the goal line, and he was hammered as he tried to cross (see Vine below).  If they hadn't called it a TD on the field, it wouldn't have been a TD.  

3) Because the Jags could not run the ball, they were constantly in 3rd down:  This is the part of the game that can mislead people who didn't watch the actual game.  Because they could not run the ball, the Jags were constantly having to convert 3rd downs.  Here, the view can differ.  Either the Lions played horribly on 3rd down, or the Jags played really well on 3rd down.  In reality, it was probably a mix of both, but the Jags started the game well because they were either 7/7 or 8/8 to convert 3rd downs to open the game.  The Lions just did nothing to stop them at all.  I personally think this is a bit of an outlier and isn't reflective of how things will continue for the Jags throughout the season.  Compare that for the total game, the Jags had a 3rd down conversion rate of 13/17 (76.5%) compared to their average for the 2014 season of 32% which was the 4th worst in the NFL.  While I think the Jags will improve compared to last year, I don't expect them to have similar success against our defense on 3rd down.

So overall, I can see why other people saw the stat lines or saw some Jags drives and saw the positives.  However, when I look at the matchup from a Panthers perspective, the three points above basically define how the Panthers want to play: run the ball, stop the run, and force the other team to try and convert 3rd downs to move the ball down the field which is difficult against our defense.  While the Jags are an up and coming team, after watching their week 3 preseason game I now feel very optimistic about coming out of week 1 with a win.       

Link to comment
Share on other sites
hepcat Grand Master

hepcat

Posted
Posted

The only thing that worries me about this game is that the Panthers typically play like garbage the first game of the year, and this goes WAAAAAYYY back. Even last year when the entire game they dominated the Bucs, they still almost lost the game at the end if it weren't for a timely drop by a Bucs DB (AWFUL throw by Anderson), and a forced fumble caused by Kuechly.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
FattyFatFat Community Regular

FattyFatFat

Posted
Posted

*This could have been discussed in an earlier Jacksonville discussion thread, but I didn't go through them all to check.

So I've seen a few football people who are leaning towards the Jags in our week 1 matchup, and part of their reasoning seemed to be how they had looked in preseason.  Because of this I decided to go back and watch the first half of their week 3 preseason matchup versus the Lions to see what the hype was about.  After watching the game, it is easy to see why someone could interpret it positively for the Jags.  However, when you actually look deeper than just the score line, there is good reason for Panthers fans to fee confident.  

Reasons

1) The Jags could not stop the run: Detroit would have scored more earlier, but they got in their own way with an early penalty and by forgetting to run the ball.  The Lions averaged 5.4 yards per rush, and this wasn't just made up by late scrubs running up the number.  Early on the Lions got great push and seemed to run the ball mostly at will against the Jags.  All of their backs were seeing positive results.

2) The Jags could not run the ball: Compare Detroit's 5.4 yards per rush to the Jags only managing 2.5.  It looked like Yeldon was constantly running into a wall.  The Jags were not getting good push up front, and it made their running game mostly ineffective.  The Jags did get a rushing TD from Yeldon, but it really didn't look like he had crossed the goal line, and he was hammered as he tried to cross (see Vine below).  If they hadn't called it a TD on the field, it wouldn't have been a TD.  

3) Because the Jags could not run the ball, they were constantly in 3rd down:  This is the part of the game that can mislead people who didn't watch the actual game.  Because they could not run the ball, the Jags were constantly having to convert 3rd downs.  Here, the view can differ.  Either the Lions played horribly on 3rd down, or the Jags played really well on 3rd down.  In reality, it was probably a mix of both, but the Jags started the game well because they were either 7/7 or 8/8 to convert 3rd downs to open the game.  The Lions just did nothing to stop them at all.  I personally think this is a bit of an outlier and isn't reflective of how things will continue for the Jags throughout the season.  Compare that for the total game, the Jags had a 3rd down conversion rate of 13/17 (76.5%) compared to their average for the 2014 season of 32% which was the 4th worst in the NFL.  While I think the Jags will improve compared to last year, I don't expect them to have similar success against our defense on 3rd down.

So overall, I can see why other people saw the stat lines or saw some Jags drives and saw the positives.  However, when I look at the matchup from a Panthers perspective, the three points above basically define how the Panthers want to play: run the ball, stop the run, and force the other team to try and convert 3rd downs to move the ball down the field which is difficult against our defense.  While the Jags are an up and coming team, after watching their week 3 preseason game I now feel very optimistic about coming out of week 1 with a win.       

Great write up. Good analysis of what you saw based on facts. If star can't go on Sunday, hopefully love or whoever fills in will be effective vs. their run blocking. Our d line vs their oline will be the key to winning the game.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Jackofalltrades Rising Star

Jackofalltrades

Posted
Posted

The only thing that worries me about this game is that the Panthers typically play like garbage the first game of the year, and this goes WAAAAAYYY back. Even last year when the entire game they dominated the Bucs, they still almost lost the game at the end if it weren't for a timely drop by a Bucs DB (AWFUL throw by Anderson), and a forced fumble caused by Kuechly.

But they did win, on the road, with a back up QB. Style doesnt matter in the win/lose column.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • CRA
      The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast

      By CRA · Posted

      I consider last year Bryce's rookie year.....and I expect some regression/D adjustment in his second season in Canales' O.  Film is film.   So yeah, I agree....he won't be the dude that opened up the year week 1 or closed the door week 17.  We will get some dude in between it all most likely.  Which IMO puts us in a really awkward no man's land with Bryce.   
    • Navy_football
      The Ringer NFC Offseason podcast

      By Navy_football · Posted

      The question is which Bryce shows up game 1. Do we get week 2 (2024) Bryce, or week 18 (2024) Bryce?  I will say that his progression after the benching last year was amazing. He literally got better every game - sans Dallas. Like every week he did something we hadn't seen him do before. And it wasn't luck, toss it up for grabs plays like Penix did against Carolina. Penix was just throwing the ball as hard as he could in the direction of a receiver and hoping they'd make a play for him. What we saw from Bryce was different. Decision making, reading defenses, recognizing blitzes and where they were coming from, knowing his hot, avoiding pressure and manipulating the pocket, throwing with anticipation, taking shots downfield, and running the ball surprisingly well. Stats don't always tell the story. Did he miss some throws that he should have made - sure did. But the clutch gene is strong with this one. One score game and Carolina has the ball with 2 minutes on the clock - I'm confident he'll give them a chance to win more than he doesn't. 
    • Navy_football
      Easy money - go to Vegas today

      By Navy_football · Posted

      I really like David Moore. He's a reliable WR. Smart, doesn't drop the ball and he's where he's supposed to be. Now, he ain't gonna route up a DB. He ain't gonna 50/50 ball a DB. He ain't gonna run by a DB either. But he runs a good enough route and catches the ball - definitely an NFL average WR. Every team could use a David Moore. Now if this receiving group can force Dan and Dave to let him go, then this team has come a long way since 2023. A LONG way. But I will say that Horn's speed is a big deal. They don't really have another guy with speed and quickness to blow the top off the defense and make guys miss in space after the catch, though he is still a rookie and hasn't done it in the NFL. If he and Renfrow push Moore out, then we might actually have something gents. Plus I see Renfrow as Thielen's replacement in 2026. I just don't think Coker is the reliable, move the chains guy like Thielen. Could be wrong. 
×
×
  • Create New...