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The #2 we let get away.

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tiger7_88 Experienced

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maybe its just me but i think everyone is missing what OP is saying here, which is simply that a guy we had on our practice squad ended up on someone else's starting lineup and is making a name for himself. haven't we been crowing about ryan delaire all week even though he's put up significantly less number than snead? how's that any different?

acknowledging snead's production juxtaposed against our lack of it at WR doesn't have to be some hardassed assessment of dave gettleman, and in this case it isn't.

You're obviously missing top dawg's obvious modus operandi here.

Make post designed to draw out fans of Dave Gettleman.

Accuse those fans of the GM of being "Gettleman short sniffers".

Point out how he is exactly the opposite of that SO THAT MAKES HIM BETTER THAN YOU.

Rinse and repeat the self-congratulatory nonsense.

Wait several days.

Make post designed to draw out fans of Dave Gettleman.

etc.

etc.

etc.

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I don't really have anything else to say, as I've made my argument more than once. Your straw-man argument about belittling Snead and building up Carolina's receivers is baseless, as I completely agree that Snead has had a better 5-game stretch than almost every Panthers receiver. However, your dataset is so limited that no definitive comment can be made beyond that. Your eye-test comment and comments about offensive scheme being irrelevant are also flawed at best, as scheme makes a huge difference. By your logic, Doug Martin and his 405 yards prove he's a better RB than Demarco Murray and his 130, as assertion that completely ignores the differences in scheme between TB and Philadelphia.

I have also said that we very well could have 'missed out' on Snead, but won't know that until 2017 or so, so I am saying 'yeah, we may have missed out on this one.' You, however, are already saying that we DID miss out, which is indefensible - 5 games in a guy's first season in the NFL, or any player in any sport for that matter, is worthless for projecting future performance. 

What I am saying is that we let Snead get away and that he has proven to be a more productive receiver in five games than others that we kept have been who have played more than a season. What I am saying is that we could have used him right about now, and though he may not have had 381 yards here, his relative yards and effect on our offense could have been just as important as his effect on the Saints offense in these first five games. And five games is not worthless for projecting future performance. It may not the be-all-end-all, but it isn't worthless by any stretch of the imagination, especially as it pertains to that person's peers who have had even more of an opportunity. 

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You're obviously missing top dawg's obvious modus operandi here.

Make post designed to draw out fans of Dave Gettleman.

Accuse those fans of the GM of being "Gettleman short sniffers".

Point out how he is exactly the opposite of that SO THAT MAKES HIM BETTER THAN YOU.

Rinse and repeat the self-congratulatory nonsense.

Wait several days.

Make post designed to draw out fans of Dave Gettleman.

etc.

etc.

etc.

When have I congratulated myself? When I have i said that I am better than anyone? Your modus operandi is to consistently sling drivel at those who have a different opinion than you out of some perverse self-indulgence and bloated pride over an LCD. 

My opinion is my opinion. I am a fan of Dave Gettleman, idiot.

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What I am saying is that we let Snead get away and that he has proven to be a more productive receiver in five games than others that we kept have been who have played more than a season. What I am saying is that we could have used him right about now, and though he may not have had 381 yards here, his relative yards and effect on our offense could have been just as important as his effect on the Saints offense in these first five games. And five games is not worthless for projecting future performance. It may not the be-all-end-all, but it isn't worthless by any stretch of the imagination, especially as it pertains to that person's peers who have had even more of an opportunity. 

We don't know if we could have used him right about now. We don't have a clue. Just because he's put up some numbers in NO doesn't mean he'd be any better than what we have here if he were here. I personally trust DG's evaluations. If he thought Snead would've helped us win games then Snead would still be here. 

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The "short sniffer" thing is in response to people who always seem to respond like rats to a block of cheese whenever even the hint of Gman making a mistake is uttered in this place. I never said Gman didn't bring in and develop talent. I have always said that I largely support his efforts thus far, especially on the business side, even though I don't agree with EVERYTHING that he does. Personally, I would give him a B overall, but I am a hard task master. I do think that he may have overlooked Snead, but, poo happens, it's not a reflection on his overall job's in my opinion. 

I have made the same point from the beginning. I hate to see Willie Snead being successful, for our division rival no less, when we could have justifiably used his services here. For you to suggest that Snead or any receiver would not be successful statistically or ON A RELATIVE BASIS is just intellectually disingenuous in my opinion. 

Am I premature to suggest that Snead is actually a good receiver at what he does? Perhaps. Am I premature to think that he is more effective than Brown or Bersin? I don't believe so. At the end of the day you shouldn't cherry pick stats and competition in order to downplay a player's success in my opinion.  Sometimes a conclusion is more about insight and vision than just attributing someone's success (or lack thereof) to a system.  Sure, a system matters, but that still doesn't mean that someone that you let go wouldn't do better than what you have IN YOUR SYSTEM. 

If that train of thought is trolling, then it is what it is. Sure I get saucy sometimes, but that's only a reaction, never the action. I hate we let the guy get away. If others can't see that, won't see that, don't believe that, then that's there right, but it's my right to believe otherwise.

 

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I assume you're use of "you" in your response isn't directly referring to me, since I haven't done most of those things.

I believe there are too many factors that we don't have access to that keep any of us from being "correct" about our front office and their evaluation of Snead.

The way you downplay the "system" argument is interesting though. Very well documented how important being in the right system is.

Overall, this whole thread comes off as an "I'm right and if you say otherwise then you're stupid," thread.

You can have your opinions (which is what they are; not "correct" or "fact"), but so can everyone else. 

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