GETTLEMAN freaking MAGIC!!

[cbarrier90]

Given his resume with the Giants and what he's done here, how was he not hired by any team until just a few years ago?

Was it age? Too old school? Difficult to work with? I recall much younger Marc Ross being a popular name thrown around at the time and he was also on Reese's staff with DG.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thomas96 said:

Compared to the rest you looked like Lombardi himself but you were sure Rivera should be fired in that thread. If I had posted in it I'm sure I would've agreed with you at that point though so I was more commenting on how ridiculous we all were then...

I don't think I was certain at that point, though before that late season surge a lot of us thought it was very possible.

I did say if anybody was fired, it'd be Rivera, not Gettleman.

[t96]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think I was certain at that point, though before that late season surge a lot of us thought it was very possible.

I did say if anybody was fired, it'd be Rivera, not Gettleman.

What I was referring to:

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I do think he's made some bad decisions, though, with the 'collaborative approach' probably being the biggest one.

 

I get the whole 'not wanting to come in and fire everybody' thing, but the truth is he left a lot of people in place that should have been given their walking papers.

 

And the sad truth is that Rivera is one of them.

 

[ncfan]

2 hours ago, frash.exe said:

lol

Not sure which quote is the best in there

this one:

"James Hurst in the 6th S Henderson in the 7th maybe Morgan Moses over Ealy (Everett Brown 2. 0) in the 2nd round. Again no team in a NFL HISTORY has went into a season with more Un-drafted Olinemen then drafted ones. And no team in NFL HISTORY has went into a season with no drafted OT on the roster.. So Dave made history with this poo..... clap clap clap...."

 

Or the ones laughing at the poster saying Norwell and Turner would turn out to be solid OG's

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thomas96 said:

What I was referring to:

 

I do remember thinking that maybe some heads should have rolled.

Obviously, history since then hasn't borne that out, so yeah I'll eat that one.

[KillaCamNewton]

49 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

So, Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, and Ryan Kalil carry the offense over the glaring problems at OL and WR. The problems created by Gettleman with his projects. The anchors given to the Panthers by Hurney. Yet Gettleman gets the credit for what Hurney brought the team to begin the rebuild in 2011.

Hurney brought in good players that were a good starting piece but whats put us over the top are the homeruns he hit with KK, Short, KB, Turner, Bene and finding diamonds in the rough with Norwell, Oher, Coleman, etc. We had talent before he got here but what separates the good from  the great teams in depth and plugging holes where youre weak and he's mastered that.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Hurney brought in good players that were a good starting piece but whats put us over the top are the homeruns he hit with KK, Short, KB, Turner, Bene and finding diamonds in the rough with Norwell, Oher, Coleman, etc. We had talent before he got here but what separates the good from  the great teams in depth and plugging holes where youre weak and he's mastered that.

If it were as simple as just hitting on first rounders and the occasional lower round guy, then Hurney could have been great. Heck, even Matt Millen was capable of that.

But you have to build an entire team and manage the cap. And Hurney wasn't good at these things.

Heck, just look back at the 2011 draft. Hit on Newton? Yeah, but literally nobody else. An entire draft was gone within just a few years, and that wasn't the first time that happened.

You can't sustain any kind of success like that.

[CPantherKing]

9 minutes ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Hurney brought in good players that were a good starting piece but whats put us over the top are the homeruns he hit with KK, Short, KB, Turner, Bene and finding diamonds in the rough with Norwell, Oher, Coleman, etc. We had talent before he got here but what separates the good from  the great teams in depth and plugging holes where youre weak and he's mastered that.

4 win team if you replace Hurney's players. Undefeated if you replace Gettleman's players. That is where they would be.

You give him too much credit, and home runs are All Pro players. Let me know when Gettleman gives the Panthers an All Pro player. Not seeing any on the roster. Some potential, but none realized.

Gettleman has brought in some good players. Hurney brought in an entire championship caliber core of great players - All Pro players. Credit the right person is my point. Gettleman will get his credit when his players start carrying the team.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Gettleman has brought in some good players. Hurney brought in an entire championship caliber core of great players - All Pro players. Credit the right person is my point. Gettleman will get his credit when his players start carrying the team.

And couldn't even manage back to back winning seasons with them.

Meanwhile, with Gettleman in charge we're off to our best start in team history and on track for our third division title in a row.

 

[B.BERSIN]

The only thing I'm concerned about Gman is how many years he still has to work as a GM.

[Doesn't Afraid]

2 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

4 win team if you replace Hurney's players. Undefeated if you replace Gettleman's players. That is where they would be.

You give him too much credit, and home runs are All Pro players. Let me know when Gettleman gives the Panthers an All Pro player. Not seeing any on the roster. Some potential, but none realized.

Gettleman has brought in some good players. Hurney brought in an entire championship caliber core of great players - All Pro players. Credit the right person is my point. Gettleman will get his credit when his players start carrying the team.

profootballfocus ranks Short as one of the best defensive tackles currently in the League. Given the status of the receiver core, if not for injury Benjamin would be recognized as an elite receiver. 

There's another side of the coin here: the roster is full of good players that Gettleman acquired. Turner, Benwikere, Tillman, Harper, Lotouleilei, Short, Ealy, Coleman, with Short appearing to fulfill that arbitrary "All-Pro" standard you have decided is the marking point for a good GM. There's a reason the only jarring weakness on this 10-0 team is the worst receiver core in the League (which Cam "1st overall draft pick" Newton is dragging along on the road to mediocrity from full blown "terrible"). 

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, Doesn't Afraid said:

profootballfocus ranks Short as one of the best defensive tackles currently in the League. Given the status of the receiver core, if not for injury Benjamin would be recognized as an elite receiver. 

There's another side of the coin here: the roster is full of good players that Gettleman acquired. Turner, Benwikere, Tillman, Harper, Lotouleilei, Short, Ealy, Coleman, with Short appearing to fulfill that arbitrary "All-Pro" standard you have decided is the marking point for a good GM. There's a reason the only jarring weakness on this 10-0 team is the worst receiver core in the League (which Cam "1st overall draft pick" Newton is dragging along on the road to mediocrity from full blown "terrible"). 

Too many of you assign this 'elite' status to players that Gettleman has brought to the Panthers who have barely played a single season for the team, and have not even been a whisper for a pro bowl - nevermind all pro status.

None of the players Gettleman has added in his 3 years would be considered elite. You have above average and good players listed, but that makes for a mediocre to average team.

The Jaguars have good players. The Bucs have good players. The Raiders have good players. That is what good gets you in the NFL.

Just be glad Hurney gave this team the players to carry it to success in spite of the depth and the coaches. Also, be glad the coaches finally trusted their star players to lead the team on game day.

[Newtcase]

It all fits together, Gettleman doesn't just have an eye for talent, he has an eye for talent that fits on our team.  Then we coach em up.  When I see players leave like Ginn leave and do nothing, come back and produce, that's coaching boys.

[Ricky Spanish]

10 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Too many of you assign this 'elite' status to players that Gettleman has brought to the Panthers who have barely played a single season for the team, and have not even been a whisper for a pro bowl - nevermind all pro status.

None of the players Gettleman has added in his 3 years would be considered elite. You have above average and good players listed, but that makes for a mediocre to average team.

The Jaguars have good players. The Bucs have good players. The Raiders have good players. That is what good gets you in the NFL.

Just be glad Hurney gave this team the players to carry it to success in spite of the depth and the coaches. Also, be glad the coaches finally trusted their star players to lead the team on game day.

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Here comes another offseason from hell. Maybe we can win 7 or 8 games and win the division again. I don't see anyone of value wanting to sign with Gettleman in free agency. Only those who need a stepping stone to other teams. I think it will take at least 3 or 4 more offseasons before people realize Gettleman will not be able to retain the players he drafts or bring in quality free agents from other teams.

Essentially the Panthers will become a farm team for the rest of the NFL.

Has Gettleman been able to extend or sign any top tier players the Panthers have in the past 3 seasons or has it just been the bottom feeder players looking at getting some money before they bomb out like Nate Chandler?

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Gettleman will give no significant upgrade to the team via free agency, and he will hope the draft picks all pan out to field a mediocre team that may be able to get in the Playoffs, but present no serious threat to the likes of the Packers, Seahawks, or any AFC team capable of making the Super Bowl.

The strategy is get to the Playoffs by winning a crap division and hope for the best from the rookies.

Do you hate Gettleman so much because he makes you look silly, or just because you want to be so right about how he's dooming the franchise?

Also I don't know what you're looking at but Short is playing at an All-Pro level this year, Coleman is playing at a pro Bowl level, and Norwell and Turner are as well. 

Hurney gave the team the pieces to put a good team together, but he also overpaid for a couple that did nothing but hinder the process of getting to where we are now and it took Gettleman cleaning house to happen.